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Selling Virtual Items (WOW)

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by reelsam, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. reelsam

    reelsam Newbie

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    I recently tried selling my top high level character in World of Warcraft. I had a lot of offer and but a few met my quota. They offered $600-800 USD. I had the first one paid me through paypal. We went through the natural process as to talking to each other over the phone, IP track, and further confirmation. But it was always the talking that threw me off.

    The paypal account information and voice did not match. The buyer sounded like a Chinese native and the account had an VERY american name. Yet, they did pay me the money. However, I declined every offer since it sounded like a scam. I'm not sure if you can get your money back from paypal through selling virtual goods but I want to know if it is possible?

    Like say, I get paid a certain amount (e.g., $800) and I hand over the character that was purchased from me. And then, if the account wasn't theirs, will I still be able to retain the money or will it all be transferred back to the original owner? What I did was like over 3000$ sit there while I watch it get rebounced. In the end, I never traded nor did I keep the money.

    I felt as if it was stolen $$$ in the first place and even if I did, I wasn't sure if after using the money, I will have to cover the costs of it since it was not approved by the original owner of the money.

    On the other hand, I'm sure there are virtual goods being sold through paypal a lot each day. Can the seller accept the payment but not hand over the item and still find a way to keep all the money? Since it doesn't have any tracking number? :|
     
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  2. blackmagiquellc

    blackmagiquellc BANNED BANNED

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    Don't mess with Paypal.

    They will freeze any account for no reason.

    What I did was get the payment and take them to a confirmation page. Then ask them to submit their confirmation number at

    http: // http://www.example.com/submit.html

    And a simple submit to my email and an automatic reply with the product.

    Best way :)
     
  3. da buck

    da buck Regular Member

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    Paypal will always side with the buyer in a Virtual Item dispute. You are better off selling it to someone locally or selling on a site like mmobay.
     
  4. loamigad

    loamigad Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Why don't you make a new account (that you don't care about being banned)
    Directly when you get the money issue a bank withdrawal (or send to another paypal or a few other paypals)
    Not sure how paypal will act when there's a chargeback.. but worth a shoot.
     
  5. blackmagiquellc

    blackmagiquellc BANNED BANNED

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    lol.

    Didn't know you could promote pills?

    I have a campaign promoting christmas socks lmao!!

    Diet industry is over 20 Billion dollars online

    And over 16% is affiliate generated

    :)
     
  6. RaoulDuke

    RaoulDuke Registered Member

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    Yeah you have to be really careful, my brother lost his level 70 something account. He's going to call blizzard and say he got hacked. So right now he's out $800 and a WoW account.
     
  7. STBNetwork

    STBNetwork Junior Member

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    whenever i sold anything on wow i had something that i wanted to buy in a shopping cart on the site (mostly newegg)

    then i would make the guy send it using mass payment method.
    then when i recieved payment i went and bought whatever it was with the paypal VCC.
    then i would make a complaint and escalate it before they could.
    the next day i would refund them $1 and remove the complaint.

    even with mass payment method they could call there CC company and do a chargeback but doing it like this i never had any problems even though i ended up with a couple negative balance paypal accounts.
     
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  8. reelsam

    reelsam Newbie

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    I see. This is very informative and interesting. I'll dedicate tomorrow reading over paypal's TOS, policy, etc. I'm going to look into how escalation, charge back, and other method works.
     
  9. RaoulDuke

    RaoulDuke Registered Member

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    My brother spoke to Blizzard today. They asked him a couple of questions like what are his 3 top characters. They are going to unban (the guy got my brother's account banned) his account and then email all the details to him. It took him about 15 minutes to get it back.