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Selling EXPIRED Domains and/or PBN?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by KBC-12, Apr 27, 2015.

  1. KBC-12

    KBC-12 Regular Member

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    I found a way to get really good expired domains, but it cost some coin. I"m trying to cover cost and I was thinking about selling expired domains. Where are cheap/free responsive marketplaces to do that? Is it still a sellers market?

    How much is a good PBN site with minimum CF/TF/DA metrics with content done for you worth? I know it depends on many factors but just using the bottom metrics...

    Thanks guys!
     
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    It all depends on the metrics and the back links.However so far i see that everybody /almost/ is selling the low level domains,cause they can sell it cheap not that much problems getting them and most of the people would not buy more expensive domains.

    What do you think is a good CF/TF/DA metrics? 20+/20+/30+ ?

    What kind of content are you talking about?Is it readable or quality?
    Do they site has valid PR?
     
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    I personally would not care about having content already on the site I just want a domain with 20-25 TF and 15+ ref domains.

    Also a clean anchor text and archive history.

    Most sellers are charging around $25 for 15+ TF domains
     
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  4. KBC-12

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    So people are buying on the lower end. Where are good responsive market places to list (preferably free)?
    I would say those numbers are about what everyone seems to agree on. Ratio of TF to CF seems to be important so if that was there and they were under 20 and referring domains were good. So yeah about there, maybe even DA in 20s. Again, these are minimums. Able to find higher, but the price would go up obviously. I'm trying to figure out what are selling so as to cover my cost in using this to find domains. Content would be from the wayback. All you would have to do is register domain and upload the html/css to your host/vps. It would probably have PR if those other metrics are right and its not a spam domain.

    So what metrics for $100/$150 + for domains?
    Where are free market places?
     
  5. KBC-12

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    *If you bought the pbn I would provide content. If not then just domain. I'm considering selling both, but domains would probably be easier.

    Thanks for the help guys!
     
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    You can try a BST here, a lot of such has popped up. If you can/have find domains like this then PM me your offer-

    age - 10+ years
    TF and CF = 20+
    CF/TF ratio <= 1.8
    Not spammed and from .com, .net or .org. I know such domains are difficult to find and are easily taken by big domineers. but if you can manage then shoot me a PM
     
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  7. pyronaut

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    So, I guess I'm in a slightly better position to talk about it given my signature (e.g. I sell expired domains myself).

    The biggest advice I can give you if you want to get into this, is have a plan if you sell nothing. I honestly don't care if I don't make a dime from the domains. I've made a completely automated system and I know that I'm getting killer domains. If they don't sell, then I simply start a niche site when I get enough good ones on a certain topic. It may sound crazy, but some people are super super picky. I had a domain that had links from Microsoft.com. And it was on sale for quite some time with no one picking it up and I couldn't believe it. It's now sold, but if a domain like that can stay on sale for a while, then anything can.

    Second. Numbers don't mean as much as you think. So I have an automated system that does the following.

    1. Checks TF and makes sure it's reasonably high.
    2. Checks DA and makes sure it's reasonbly high.
    3. Checks the anchors of the site to make sure they are all english characters.
    4. Checks a keyword blacklist and makes sure none of them are in anchors OR in the domain itself.

    Then from there, it gets put into an approval queue where I look at the domains MANUALLY and make sure they are worthwhile. Even with all the automated checks I have, I trash probably a little over half of the domains I find. Either their content has been used as a PBN before. The anchors are all over the place meaning it likely wasn't the same owner all the way through etc. There are so many checks you want to do to make sure you are selling quality. I will say, not everyone does this. There are BST's that I've seen selling dirt cheap domains, but all they do is take the domain, make sure the TF is over 15+, and sell them for rock bottom prices. And then it's just a numbers game since you can buy 3 domains for the price of one of mine, and hopefully one that they sell you hasn't been spammed to death.

    Third. Everyone's doing this. I find some ridiculously good domains sometimes. I've got a TF 27+ up on the site right now for example. But I know if I don't sell that domain within a day, someone else will probably find it and register it. It's just the name of the game so you have to be fast. And preferably, you need to be automated.
     
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  8. KBC-12

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    I also can get domains according to geographical, keyword, and competitor URL. There was some domains with DA in the 50 and 60s with good other metrics too.

    Do you have any wiggle room on age? Is the CF/TF ratio a hard one? Some people say 1:1 but if other metrics are good they go with it. ie. Backlinks and referring domains ect.

    @DaveChan There is a built in spam algo that takes some of those factor into consideration.

    @Pyronaut Thanks for the reply. I'm not really looking at getting into this, just trying to cover my costs for a while. I was thinking the market might be saturated and it seems you're saying that is the case? If I can find quality though surely there's room. You list your domains for sale without registering them?
    Are the FB groups a viable market place? Do you have any suggestions where to sell? Perhaps I could supply you for your service, like I said I just wanna cover my cost.



    So what does a domain worth $100/$150+ look like?
    Do you guys have any thoughts on the done for you PBN site?

    Thanks!
     
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    I probably wouldn't need any supply for my service. I custom coded everything from the ground up so it's all automated. I literally don't have to touch a thing if I don't want to.

    The market is HEAVILY saturated so as I say. It makes sense if you want the domains anyway (I do). But if you are looking to make serious bucks selling expired domains it's probably not going to happen.

    It depends what you mean by quality. Quality isn't just high numbers as I alluded to above. It's the entire backlink history that comes into play.
     
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  10. KBC-12

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    Thats pretty cool. :) Thanks for the consideration though.

    Yeah I know there are many factors, but like I said if the backlink profile and referring domains are all good... Then what?
    Any thought on the FB groups or any other market places to sell these domains?
     
  11. SupremeBoner

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    Not speaking for you because I havent seen your stock.

    But domain brokers typically sell garbage.

    Hayden Miyomoto (as awesome as that guy is) sells a bunch of shit domains
    Then majority of guys on bhw sell even shittier domains -- usually leveraging techcrunch, or huffingtonpost links as the end all be all of a good link portfolio. In actuality its just a shitty powerless link buried in the archives 1000 pages deep with no pr, no pa, nothing...shit

    TF is leveraged now as the end all and be all metric mainly because high DA domains that aren't filled with directory spam are harder to find.

    I see a lot of brokers now with a message along the lines of "whats your DA?"...."we dont care about DA because it is a metric that no longer holds value"...."we care about TF now"......yea right
     
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    What's a "shitty" domain in your experience?

    In some ways I agree about the "authority" links bit of your post. Personally I don't find them THAT important, but others do so I do include them on our sales page. But I think you actually miss the point of these authority links. It's not because people believe they pass amazing authority to their website. It's because people think that they can build a tonne of backlinks to that authority page, which then passes it onto your expired domain. It's kind of like a super buffer as somewhat crappy links being pushed to Techcrunch aren't going to get a techcrunch page deindexed right?
     
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    They were shitty relative to the price thats for sure. I remember seeing DA 18-20's; majority consisting of PR-less directory links selling for 130$ a piece.

    I agree with that you said, though most brokers don't imply nor leverage it with that idea. Usually they make it appear as if the techcrunch link is defining the PBN as already very powerful -- atleast from what I've seen.
     
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    OP, dont listen to anyone in this thread, they sell shitty $10 domains and they think people dont have money to buy anything that goes beyond $100

    If it is automated process it is probably not good.

    Just look at my sale threads at BHW and you will see what are people ready to pay for a good domain. my cheapest domains I sold here are $1500

    Here you go

    This one $1600
    This one was $11,000
    This $1700
    etc

    Of course, I triple check all domains before listing them, so my buyers trust me

    If you think you have something good you can send over your offer to me and I might be interested in purchasing your stock
     
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    To sell a domain for a high bucks, you need to build your reputation and clientele first. Or great sales skills.
     
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    Those are really impressive man.
     
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    Thank YOU! Sent you a PM.


    Still looking for the answer to what metrics a domain selling for $100+ should look like. I know it varies, but I'm trying to get everyone's opinion. Thanks!
     
  18. SupremeBoner

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    Advice from a domain broker on why domain brokers should charge more -- no problem here
     
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    While that may be true experience you cannot deny the experience and therefore the advice actually means something.

    A lot of people tend to always concentrate on price and think that the only buyers are looking for the cheapest product available. While most buyers are looking for some sort of a bargain there are always plenty of buyers out there that are concentrating on quality and then price.
     
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    Problem is the buyers here typically wouldn't know what to do with those. You're talking about people building shitty wordpress template PBNs and filling them with $5 articles. For money in the thousands you had better be building a money site on it, or at least something you can bank on. But those people are rare on a forum. $11,000 isn't unusual in the industry though... you'll see GoDaddy even selling premium domains WITHOUT such backlinks for that on name alone.