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Scrapebox - What's more important RAM or connection speed?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by Kitsune, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. Kitsune

    Kitsune Junior Member

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    For the past two days i have been trying to find a decent VPS to run scrapebox.
    There are two VPS's one with 1GB ram, 2.66 Ghz single core cpu and 1Gbit connection speed however the other one has 2GB ram and 3.4 Ghz Duo core processor and 100mbps connection.

    As far as i know the scrapebox cpu requirments are low (except when checking links however the link checker doesn't support multiple threads). The vps with 2GB ram could handle much more threads but at lower speeds. However the one with 1GB ram could handle less threads however much quicker. Which one would finish tasks like harvesting, posting, link checking quicker?
     
  2. jb2008

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    Depends what type of core the CPU is, for example I would choose a single core i7 or i5 over a core 2 duo for example. 100 mbit vs 1 Gbit port, well, again it depends on how many VPS they put on each node. If only a few, it doesn't matter so much, but if they put a lot on a 100 mbit connection you will slow down. Where RAM is concerned, it depends on how many instances of SB you want to use, is it just one, or many? If many, 2GB would be better. But if only 1 or 2 instances of SB, 1GB is enough. When posting make sure to trim lists down less than 200 characters as that prevents 99% of crashing.
     
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    Yes - single core is better. Scrapebox runs multiple threads, but don't confuse application threading with CPU threading. While there is some intelligence involved and multiple cores might help a bit, Scrapebox itself (the application) is not optimized for multiple threads (I'm looking at my CPU stats while it's running as I write this).

    Like I said, application threads do not always take advantage of multiple cores if the application itself is not optimized for it.
    Application threads and CPU threading are not the same thing.

    For slow poster crashes, stick the harvested lists in another application that is socket based for posting (GSA posts to all the same platforms, and a lot more, Scrapejet and NHSEO will do most of them as well) and you get rid of the crashes and certificate pop ups 100%

    Scritty
     
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    Neither RAM Nor Connection speed, but lots of proxies !
     
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  6. Kitsune

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    I can't find answer to this anywhere so maybe you guys could help.
    How much the scrapebox speed posting/link checking speed depends on VPS location? If you could choose a vps with same connection speed where would you prefer your server to be located - USA or Europe?
    I can't find statistics about the location where more websites are hosted. It'd just be logical that VPS hosted in Europe would post quickly to websites hosted in Europe.
    What do you think?
     
  7. SirKonstantine

    SirKonstantine Junior Member

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    1Gbps is like... 5,000 threads running on fast poster. Thats insane.
     
  8. Makunouchi

    Makunouchi Registered Member

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    If you're planning to manage big lists, you'll need more RAM.
     
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    Absolutely TRUE!!! 4gb ram and 1gb connection is useless if you use proxies that work on 516Kb connection :)
     
  10. jb2008

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    Proxies for Scrapebox? Why? I post raw and it feels good. Just get a bulletproof VPS and go for the win on a 1 million list. Ah the good ol' days.
     
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    Yeah - those saying cponnection speed are out of touch these days.

    I have a connection at home that barely ups 500k a sec and downs about 1.2Mbytes a second. Decent, but not earch shattering.
    It can BUZZ through 100 threads on that without a hitch - no issue.
    Soon as I try and run it on my old laptop (WIndows XP SP3 - which hogs more resources than anything) It gets stuck. 1 meg of RAM just slows it to a crawl. Processor is fine (3.2 Ghz Core Duo) internet connection is exactly the same, but RAM kills it.

    RAM is probably the biggest issue with most SEO applications.
    and as the quote said, I gigabit connections would run a 4 figure number of threads, or more than SB could handle, but you'd still be scuppered by the need to cache file data in and out of virtual memory all the time if you didn't have enough RAM.

    If you have 4 gigs of ram - that's fine. If you don't..then get 4 gigs before you upgrade anything else.

    Scritty
     
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    SB can lock up above 50 threads, I find it shitty above 50 threads. So I run multiple instances with 50 threads each and it works fine. Those who think running 300 threads on SB is going to work need to realise that although the program allows you to choose 300 threads, this doesn't mean it's going to work well at that number. Depending on the purity of your list when posting, SB can utilise anywhere from 1-10 mbps per 50 threads posting instance, so if you've got a VPS which is 100 mbps, assuming it is reasonably packed on the node, you may get around 30 mbps in reality which is totally fine for multiple instances. However RAM will limit the number of instances you can hold stable, I never go above 2 instances per 1 GB of RAM.

    If you are looking to scrape with low RAM, you should try hrefer instead. I run max 1000 threads on a 1 GB RAM VPS and it is stable like you wouldn't believe. Also, although Xrumer does use RAM, it is very efficient and I can run hundreds of threads stable on the same 1GB VPS. So if you make a mod to post on wordpress (Assuming that's what you're posting on with SB) you can rip through that bitch with no problems.
     
  13. Kitsune

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    Just wanted to update this thread. Basically i got hostamus vps with 1gbps connection, 2gb ram and 1 core 2,66GHz cpu. For me a huge bottleneck is the cpu. Right now I'm posting to AA list with just 35 connections and the cpu usage is 100% all the time with short drops. I thought that something might be wrong with the vps or scrapebox and contacted scrapebox and vps support however it seems that the AA blogs are so spammed that loading them all and finding the forms is very resource intensive task. What surprises me is that the standalone scrapebox link checker never uses so much cpu even when using it @ 100 connections and does a task that similar to comment posting. What are your thoughts/experience with scrapebox cpu usage?
     
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    You should have read my advice above. You didn't need 2GB RAM for 1 instance of SB, or even 2 instances of SB. If you're running 35-50 threads with a reasonably long, well spun comment/number of comments, and other spun fields too, then CPU will max out on 35-50 threads for one core. My recommendation is that you go back down to 1GB RAM and use the money saved to buy an extra core, on hostamus it's $10 per month. And to be honest you don't need 1 Gbps with 2 instances of SB on 35-50 threads. The hostamus 100 mbps port VPS is hella fast i.e. 50 mbps up/down. Your 2 x 50 threads could never use that much.

    Make sure when you are running your lists on multiple instances to remove ALL lines less than 200 characters long (option available in SB). This will prevent crashing.

    All the SB link checker does is load the page and check the source code for the text you enter in the websites file. SB comment posting does a lot more than that, the biggest task in my opinion being spinning many fields, the main one being the comment, on the fly, multiplied by your thread count. It needs to detect forms, spin all fields, enter text into forms, then submit. It's a lot more than the link checker does.
     
  15. VHSEO_Mike

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    RAM and internet speed are the two most important things to work smoothly.
     
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    For two instances of SB, you will need 1 core CPU for each of them. 1 GB RAM is enough, and 100 mbps port more than enough. Getting more RAM in this case is just a waste of money as it's quite expensive compared to a CPU core.
     
  17. Kitsune

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    I can agree about 2GB ram being a waste of money in my case however i don't agree about the 100mbps port being sufficient. First of all you obviously don't get 100mbps speed and more like 50mbps like you mentioned. Lets convert this speed to megabytes. 1mbps (megabits per second) = 0.125 MBps (megabytes per second). So theoretically the maximum speed would be 12.5 MBps however the actual speed would be more like 6MBps. That isn't sufficient imo because right now I'm running scrapebox poster @ 60 connections and it uses 8 - 19 MBps. I haven't used scrapebox on 100mbps VPS however it all makes sense on paper. What do you think?
     
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    Win 2k8 barely boots with 512 megs, I'd hate to try to use a 1 gig VPS for anything other than writing a note to myself to get a vps that doesn't suck in notepad.

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