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Scammed to the tune of $8,000 - Need help digging deeper.

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  1. blackescobar

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    Howdy,

    An unscrupulous bunch of con men have scammed my partner's company out of approx. $8,000. This was around 2 months of solid work, sourcing and cleansing business and consumer data and leads on behalf of said con men, who, purely on a trust basis (as they were referred to her through a so-called friend) have decided not to pay my partner for their work, citing all kinds of BS excuses in the process.

    Her company didn't have a contract in place (stupid I know ) with the thieves for reasons mentioned above, however there is a LOT of written correspondence and "gentleman's agreements" so to speak that are in writing on email, skype, sms etc etc. So there may be the chance of legal proceedings but we're unsure, anyone think suing them would be a possibility?

    Regardless, we still need to dig a little deeper and as information about this offensive, horrendous, cunt of a company is pretty scarce online, I was wondering if anyone on here could help us get a little more information on said scammers. Yes, hypothetically, I would also like some information on how to completely fuck them over in a completely legal and non-violent way of course. Please help if you can. Thanks in advance for reading this.
     
  2. randybishop

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    If you can find them you can sue them.
     
  3. Skyebug77

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    Depends on what country you are in. Also, what country were they from?

    W13S0N can help track people down.
     
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  4. oplaopla

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    Gotta love how W13S0N is just universally recognized as the forum detective.

    On topic: OP I would advise that before you waste your time investigating, you find out exactly what you need to look for by consulting with a lawyer. There's no point in gathering a bunch of evidence if you can't use it.
     
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  5. ego_whore

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    Most of the contracts in the international arena are conducted through oral agreement, and not in writing. Surprisingly, this doesn't negate the legality of the agreement. From what I know in the area of contract law, a true offer (even if the will of the parties is expressed through non-conventional means of communication) is deemed as a proposal to conclude a contract as long as it is sufficiently definite (indicates the goods or services to be rendered, and their quantity). The contract thus is established as long as the offeree makes an acceptance (over the telephone, etc.) of the offer. I do not pose myself as a professional in the field, so correct me in case I'm wrong.
     
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  6. andrewmo

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    If you've got correspondence going back and forth with amounts and deliverables you should be in a good position to sue if you have to; but as others suggested I'd consult a lawyer before investing too much time.
     
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    even verbal agreements hold up in court with proper evidence so you will do quite well if you have documented communication
    I would say sue his or her ass
     
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  8. Debian

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    Is the company in question legally registered as an entity?
     
  9. HoNeYBiRD

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    you can start with destroying their online rep with submitting scam reports to ripoffreport and sites like that, you can also try to rank for [company name] scam, [manager's name] scammer
     
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  10. Debian

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    What exactly were the bs excuses being given?
     
  11. Mr Spectre

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    in order to sue them, the agreements / contracts doesn't need to be in written format. Oral agreements are also binding in courts ( almost every country's contract's law has this provision), so if you know where they live, you can sue them, but it's hard to prove in courts, without the lack of paper work, that oral agreements existed therefore you will need solid proof such as witnesses but you say there was a lot of correspondence between you guys so it will not be hard.
     
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    are you asking me? because i wouldn't know, i just suggested, if OP wants to go after them, he can start with ruining the company's reputation, maybe just threaten with it at first, if it doesn't work, take action, but maybe they don't care about their online rep at all
     
  13. Debian

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    That question wasn't directed at you, rather to the op.
     
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    While a contract doesn't have to be in written form, the chance of you winning a lawsuit without one is rather slim... Plus, lawsuits are expensive & you'll quickly add an extra 8k on top of your lost money. Do you have any written proof?

    All in all, you're looking at a tough case - if they're willing to scam you, then they're more than willing to take it to court (99% of the time). This kind of thing has happened to me in the past & the only way to get your money outside of court is to be creative... a touch of negative seo will work wonders if done right (and without leads to you, otherwise slander etc)


    On a side note, this is exactly why you should have legal insurance coverage ;)
     
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  15. blackescobar

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    Thanks for the great advice guys. Yes, a lot of it is in written terms through emails, sms and such but there was no formal agreement. They are yet to pay us and now have landed us in a heap of shit too given we are unable to pay our suppliers as a result. If I can get the cell phone number of one particular person , I may be able to put these guys in the shit, problem is I can't track this person down. I'm happy to pay if anyone can help!