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Scammed by user TheNuts - $500, can't believe how stupid i was

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  1. WormWH

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    Message for admins: I know that 72 hours did not passed, but i really really hope that this time you will make an exception as i have a lot of evidence for this scammer. I never broke a single rule here, but please, please read my full story.
    Unfortunately, after 3 years i got scammed for the first time, today i got scammed again and it's not a small amount - $500
    This is my story....


    Link of the scammer: TheNuts http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/817686-thenuts.html
    I wanted to buy a Facebook Fan Page, after having health issues and being in hospital for 2 months i decided to get back to Internet Marketing and give away all my money. I saved $200 and borrowed another $300 from one of my best friends in Internet Marketing just to invest in this. :(
    This is what happened. I opened a thread to buy a Facebook Fan Page and after discussion the user TheNuts gave me a good offer and i decided to buy his Fan Page his price was $700. After negotiating, we came up with a deal for $500 for which he agreed. He refused to give more details except screenshot of ownership. I checked his BHW profile and he is here for a few months, but seems like he was waiting exactly for a user like me. He had discussions about the Fan Page he was selling that was not actually his - i believe.

    1. After i posted the WTB he contacted me and gave me his skype handle to discuss. 2 contacts. I know that it seems to suspicious, but i believe BlackHatWorld to death, i know there are lots of scammers, but he's an aged user. The Fan Page admin and his skype handle he sent to me matched - i won't post details because it's probably not that person.
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    2. This is the negotiating part till we negotiated a price of $500 and a deal.
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    3. This is the nasty part. I decided to trust and sent the transaction and then when i saw the names, they did not match, the Paypal account he was using was Unverified, he lied to me that he is new to PayPal and told me that his name is not his skype name, but another one. I believe none of them is the real name. I sent the first $300 on paypal as agreed.
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    4. Here i really didn't know what to do after i sent the $300, so i decided to ask the person why is the PayPal unverified and why is the name different. After he answered, i really didn't know what to do so i sent the second $200 as agreed via Skrill.
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    5. The end, user goes offline and proved that i am a stupid person and i actually am
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    Sorry for taking your time to read, but while still having health issues, i am also mentally not in a good condition and now i ended up without money.
    I hope that this will be a lesson for all of you guys and you won't do the same thing i did.
    That's it...​
     
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  2. OldSalt

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    TheNuts has been notified he has 48 hours to respond to this thread.

    OS
    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:
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    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
     
  3. WormWH

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    He won the PayPal claim guys, i lost the money... :(
     
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    I am sorry for your loss OP, but I keep telling people to do their due diligence:

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    Anybody that needs to start a thread on how to make $2, isn't somebody I would deal with.
     
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    I am also scammed by this user "TheNuts" for the same page. I also opened a thread couple of days ago for buying of facebook pages, He contacted me via PM, all our dealing was done in PMs and we both agree in 550$. Admin in screen short was same as his facebook profile so I paid him and after that He unfriends me and blocks me on facebook and run away with my money :( . Paypal is also not helping me in this matter.

    This scam happens with me yesterday and this shitlist thread is of 03-02-2015, I wish I have seen this thread before dealing :(. I am on BHW from last couple of years ago, buying and selling different services but not a single scam but this one. Well there was a little fault of mine too. Why I have deal or paid upfront to the newbie member.

    Any way to get my money back from him? Please guide me.
     
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  6. TheNuts

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    First of all:


    Shit list rule #4:
    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread


    So I don't know what randomblackguy, DogsBreakfast, ducpmn and salaffiiliate are doing in this thread.

    Now I'm coming to the point in a goal-oriented manner.

    We mutually agreed upon payment of $500. $300 as partial payment via PayPal and $200 via Skrill for a total amount of $500. He sent payment for goods, so after deduction of the PP fees I only had $288 left, instead of $300. So $288 (PP) + $200 (Skrill) = $488! So he didn't pay me what we agreed upon. Thenceforth things started to go south. After receiving payment, I told him that I'm not at home and that I'm skyping on my phone. I got home 10 minutes later and wanted to address the situation of the missing $12 and BOOM he already opened a dispute on PayPal. After 10 minutes of me not making him admin! That's just sick. So the $288 got frozen and the $200 he sent to Skrill... GONE. I got an email that he sent the money but after I logged in on Skrill my balance was $0.00. To this date. So he pulled the money back or whatever like on PayPal.
    So the only amount I recieved: $288 on PayPal. Just to set that straight.

    So the buyer expected me to make him admin, after I got $0.00 on Skrill and $288 FROZEN on PayPal?
    That's never gonna happen. Especially not after getting this message: http://i.imgur.com/0wCDmWU.jpg?1
    And now he even shitlisted me!

    So he sent the wrong amount to start with - opened a dispute on PayPal after 10 minutes although I told him to give me time to get home so I can make him admin - threatens me via PM and opened a shitlist thread. FOR NOTHING.

    To cut a long story short:

    I will refund him the $288 if I get an official apology because he sullied my reputation. And if this shitlist thread get's removed.

    I couldn't help but notice that Warrior 66 replied to this thread. Totally different situation. I dealt with him simultaneously (same timeline but after knowing that the deal with WormWH is not existent) and made him admin of the page after receiving payment. No problem as far as I'm concerned. I guess after seeing this thread he thinks he can use this fuel to justify a scam claim. Sure, why not jump on the bandwagon. He just opened a dispute on PayPal claiming that I didn't make him admin. I transferred ownership of the page by making him admin. If he claims otherwise, he is lying.

    I will open a shitlist thread on Warrior 66 for opening a dispute and trying to scam me.
     
  7. OldSalt

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    TheNuts,

    1) I was contacted about Warrior 66 prior to this thread going live so this SL had nothing to do with his situation - other than me telling him to add his complaint to this SL because I was about to approve it.

    2) As far as I know, Skrill can't be charged back - did you see a payment from him in your account at all?

    3) Part of dealing with Paypal payments is the their transaction costs. Unless you both agree to the person absorbing that cost IN ADVANCE of a transaction, there is no reason for you to cry about it afterwards. If you want the person to absorb the cost, you would have to have them add to the payment for a net result of approx what you are asking - and NEVER to have them send as a gift as those can't be disputed. (You didn't do that, just posting that for anyone else reading this).

    4) If you didn't provide the account - realizing this transaction was a bust, why didn't you just refund the payment when it was disputed? That would have avoided this SL if the skrill payment was indeed never sent.

    5) If this is resolved, then the SL is removed - and not before that point. So, if you want this removed, then make sure you provide the refund. In addition, I do not request nor require apologies with my decisions. This is about proper payments and delivery of products for those payments (or refunds when they're not delivered), not your emotions. I suggest you check those at the door and get this resolved.

    6) How about some logs of what happened with Warrior 66?

    @WormWH, I would like to see proof of your skrill payment.

    @Warrior 66, How about some logs showing the details?

    OS
    PS. To both Warrior 66 and TheNuts - when you post any logs, be sure to remove personal info from them. If I need the removed info, I'll contact you with an email address to send them to.

    PPS. I removed and warned those that posted in violation to SL rule #4.
     
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  8. WormWH

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    Here is a proof of the Skrill payment:
    http://i.imgur.com/FvWhOYR.png

    There was a cancel button on the Skrill Payment and when we reached to this:
    http://i.imgur.com/rsvXuvS.png

    There was no response an hour later from the transaction and no notification of being made an admin and this was not the deal. The deal was to make me an admin after i submit a payment, no phones, no traveling. If it's needed i can also show you TeamViewer of my Skrill account.

    If TheNuts really feels that i am wrong, i apology to him, but waiting 1 hour with no response and the circumstances, everyone would have done this. Again, i apologize to TheNuts if that's what's needed.
    In the PayPal claim he wrote that he was JXXXX's business partner and that he transferred ownership of the Fan Page to me and that i stole his Fan Page. And unfortunately he won it.
     
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  9. WormWH

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    I would also like to find and sue this person, so if the admins can somehow help with IP logs, etc please let me know. It's not about the money, i don't want a jerk like this to keep going around and scamming other people.
     
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    WormWH,

    I was just about to make arrangements to refund your goddamn money and logged in on BHW to update the thread about my intention, but you can't seem to be able to shut your mouth. I noticed your half-hearted apology and planned to work this out with you and fix this, but calling me a jerk and a scammer won't help your case. I think I changed my mind. I might keep the money to cover the lawsuit costs, in case you are planning to sue me, as you stated before.
     
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    You know buying\selling fb pages is illegal.You cant do it.its the violation of facebook terms.
     
  12. Warrior 66

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    I am not jumping on the bandwagon, I have contacted Oldsalt right after you scammed me, before this thread goes live.
    This man first contact me via PM on bhw after seeing my thread : http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...2-wtb-i-want-purchase-lot-facebook-pages.html , All our initial communication was done on BHW?s PM?. Screen short :

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    I have gave facebook profile of my partner for further proceeding, He adds my partner on facebook, they have chat on facebook, my partner transfers the money but he didn?t transfer the page. Check screenshorts for reference of payment,facebook chat and NO notification regarding page adminship:

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    After this he blocks my partner and my partner was unable to send him any message on facebook. My partner sent me following messages that he scams us:

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    Then within minutes I sent him message from my personal facebook profile:

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    He blocks me too. My personal profile was unknown to him so if he was not a scammer then reply to my messages should be like ?Hey, Who are You?? Instead of a block.
    After that I pmed him on BHW in very polite manners:

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    But No reply, I was 100% confident that he scams me so I sent this message to him:

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    We waited 10-20 minutes but no reply from him, although he was online on BHW so we filed a dispute on paypal.
    That?s all from our side. MOD, let me know if you need anything else.

    P.S: We test page transfer to demonstrate real time example regarding adminship notification, So when someone make other person admin of the page then this notification comes :

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    Warrior66,

    I wasn't aware that I was communicating with a friend of yours. I was always under the impression that I was talking to you. Did you ever take into consideration that your friend is the one who is scamming you? The email you sent me for adminship is his or yours? My educated guess is that you are both in the same boat, pulling the strings. But whatever. I used the email you sent me to transfer ownership of the page. You asked me to make a different profile admin, but I already used the email you sent me. So I don't know what that was all about and I don't really care. I can make a snapshot of the page roles section of my profile to show that I'm not the admin anymore.
    Make me admin again and remove yourself from the page and I will send your payment back. End of story.
    On a side note: I blocked you (or your friend) on Facebook AFTER I transferred ownership.
    In case the page get's unpublished by Facebook for violating their terms of use, I wanted to obviate a risk and a connection to my profile. That's all.
     
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  14. OldSalt

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    TheNuts,

    I told you from beginning that I don't give a rat's butt about your feelings so let's keep this simple.

    1) You have 24 hours to refund the PP payment to WormWH period. If you don't, you will be perma-banned - end of story.

    2) You say you turned over the admin of your page to Warrior66's friend - then you should have no problem showing screenshots of you doing that. Post those logs with just the personal info removed - and i will send you an email to send the non-edited versions to.

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    After making someone admin and removing yourself from the page, there is no way to reconstruct or trace back any activity. I don't have access to the page anymore.
    To show you screenshots of how I made him admin, is only possible if I make him admin and make a screenshot of us both being admins, before I remove myself. I didn't do that and I don't have a time machine to go back. So that's that.
    It's impossible.
     
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    You'd still have skype logs of when it was going on, that you were about to and then did make him an admin and for him to verify it - and then him saying that he was indeed an admin at that point.

    but in the end, the Warrior66 issue won't matter if you don't refund WormWH within the 24 hours previously mentioned.

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    We never skyped. We communicated on BHW and Facebook. I confirmed via Facebook chat that I received the payment, made him admin and thanked him for a smooth transaction!
    I blocked his profile to stay safe and reduce the probability of getting in trouble with Facebook for selling my page. That's it. The next thing I know is that he opened a dispute on PayPal. Let him show you the Facebook chat.

    Regarding the WormWH situation:

    Procrastination is the thief of time. No need to wait 24 hours.

    I will refund him when I believe to be the appropriate point in time and on my own terms. So do what you have to do, OldSalt.
     
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    OldSalt, His this lie can prove that he is a scammer. My partners sent his email account (facebook login email) to transfer the page and after that he sent his facebook profile link for transfer of admin ,that facebook profile is linked with previous sent facebook login email. Both are same account but difference is 1 is facebook login email and second one is exact link of facebook profile. @oldsalt If you want then I can send you both, facebook login email as well as exact link of facebook profile. You can verify by simply searching facebook login email on facebook search bar.

    When you will search facebook login email on facebook search bar then his profile will come and that profile is the one we send him for transfer.

    And BTW If he had made my partner admin then my partner should have received any notification.....

    P.S: Now question is why my partner sent his facebook profile link when he already have sent login email of that account earlier? Simple answer is because when he got no notification of page transfer then he sent exact facebook profile link to avoid any confusions for TheNuts.

    Ok, If we accept your this reason for block then why you have ignored me on BHW pms? Why you have not replied me there? I tried to reach you on BHW to sort out the problem before filing of dispute on paypal.
     
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    OldSalt, If he had made my partner admin then my partner should have received any notification. There is no notification at all. If you want then I can share notification history with you via team viewer. You can see yourself that we didn't received any notification of adminship.
     
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    TheNuts is perma-banned.

    Now for WormWH and Warrior66 - What were you thinking when you sent this guy $500??? I have un-hidden W130SN's post above - just 3 minutes of due diligence would have revealed some serious questions about the this guy's credibility. Not only his recent posts but the fact that he joined just a few months ago with only 35 posts with no value added to any of the threads. If you had spent a very short you would have realized you were gift wrapping your hard earned money and sending it on a one way trip with no value to be coming in return.

    As long as people let their greed override common sense, scammers will be willing to steal your money.

    OS
     
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