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Scammed & Blackmailed by Jr. VIP BHW HelloAll - The JV master scammer

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by chobo, Dec 20, 2008.

  1. chobo

    chobo Regular Member

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    I am am currently both scammed and blackmailed by the JR. VIP member on here named Helloall. Below is both screenshot proof of our messages, transcripts and etc fully showing what he has done to me.




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    -Blackmail me in effort to scare me and stop my future sales on my own
    -Get BHW jr. vip members and alike to turn against me, defamation (his threat)
    -Cancel our JV & filing 'unauthorized' chargebacks via paypal.

    Even with our disagreements, and ending our our JV, he shouldn't be doing this.



    Me & Helloall (aka Justin Kim) had talks of doing a JV.
    My first intentions myself, were to just sell my ebook on Warriors, DP, sitepoint, and etc on my own.
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    At first, I was going to release an ebay method book on DP
    , and I found helloall's on DP to be reputable, so I had him do a review and gave back criticism, which he was so willingly to do. Well little did I know, his DP account - webmustang was banned (don't know why - he never said)

    hxxp://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=62834

    So he made another DP account called magicbox:

    hxxp://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=194023

    Now hes requesting another account to be made on DP, to scam more people?

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/399075-post26.html



    Fact is: It doesn't take much skills to really type up a thread about your own product, and get people to buy it. It isn't hard either to give out some review copies to get some reviews back. Posting a sales thread IS NOT HARD.

    He then asked for a 80-20 cut where he, as my product marketter gains 80% of profit. WHich is BS. But I am not here to argue the split anymore, i'm argueing that he is scamming me for taking my 20% away.

    So I write several PMs to tell him just that, then that is when he gets upset and tells me how he does 'everything' that cost money. Well guess what, when you work with CPA - they tell you go to out and get leads/sales. They don't give a SHIT about how much you spent on marketting this, and marketting that. My interest in the JV is to gain money - just like any CPA network would. I didn't tell him to spend all those extra dollars. Again - its not like you need to pay SEO, and etc to make sales on DP. Moving on.


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    Him approaching me that he could generate money outside my ways interested me. I said no, I clearly have not thought beyond the scope.
    He told me that he could market, and sell my product via CB and affiliates.

    So I agreed to do a venture, I mean the benefit of this to me is that I would be able to make sales outside of the IM forums, and his benefit would be making some profit on my product. Hence Joint Venture.


    A day later, my account received a 1 week infraction on DP which made me suspended for that duration. I was suspended on DP because I had went on a thread asking someone to pm me for information which was against the posting rules.

    In the mean time, helloall aka Justin Kim, had told me to contact him via skype in which we talked live.



    He knew that my account was banned - so he took action on posting it on DP himself. I questioned why - because again, i only need a day or two to
    get my account back up running and selling my ebook.

    That is why I made this thread:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/41143-can-bhw-homie-help-me-out-dp.html

    So that people can pull down the posts, and stop feeding direct money to Justin Kim via his sales page.

    1. I have no track of sales.
    2. he made payment via 'donation'
    3. He priced it 29.99 despite us giving talks of doing 50$ (doesnt matter if this is impractical price)


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    It just shows he dictated control over a product that I own, by taking is his own actions to price things differently and keep me ill informed. Everytime I complained he try to convince me by paypalling 100$, then he called me up and said that he would give me another 100$. The I got a third payment, so in total i got 300$


    However again - in my ebook, on the 2nd page it still says:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/chaosauron/bhwproof.jpg

    Members on both Warrior Forums, and DP themselves had taken action and both reported to me, and respective staff about possibility of a non-legit seller (because this is common)

    Justin Kim did not have the newer version of my book, nor the master rewritable copy, in which I had taken this out in prevention. He continued to sell version 1 (the review beta copy)

    For the reports by the buyers - his Warrior account got banned.
    He blames me for it, when i specfically told him to stop the thread until I update.


    Then shortly after making the sales that he did, basically our ending of our JV he gives me this bullcrap.

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    He claimed that purchasers have actually taken back their money - which is not possible because he made buyers pay via 'DONATION'. Justin Kim (HelloAll) had made the sales page utilize's ebay 'donation' which is a non-disputeable/ non chargeback claim. Asking people to pay for an ebook as a donation is illegal in itself.

    Proof:

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    Some more proof about donation:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/chaosauron/jproof11.jpg
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=10073909&postcount=28
    However Justin Kim or someone who had hosted his site has pulled down the sales page. However I do have email proof by purchasers who have complained, and even have posters on DP complaining about it.





    HelloAll thens blackmails me:

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    Wow, blackmail, he threatened that if I were to create a new thread on my own, selling MY OWN product that I own, that he would get Jr. VIP members here at BHW to gang up on me and post their 'real' reviews (giving me a negative connotation trying to scare me that these reviews would be poor or bad).

    This is in effort to make sure that I, myself, would not be able to make my own sales, because he will be hunting me down and emplace his friends to downplay my ebook and defame me in future times to come. Then he files a chargeback on the payment - after selling my ebook out to the public - I don't have as much customers as i would because they already had bought from him.

    And yeah, you want to know something Justin Kim,

    Here is your own comment on my ebook - you liked it a lot and thats why you were interested in doing a JV with me.

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    So guess the JV master is indeed the master by finding other people's products, and then taking their money.
     
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  2. lewi

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    dude you fucked him over one and then made up and then fucked him over again..... why should we have sympathy for you?? we all saw the story last time.... you made a product looked for help then realised how much cash you could make and didnt want to share it.... yet you dont know how to advertise it.... you get what you deserve i think and asked for it.... once okay but then to do it twice is just stupid.....

    now if hes stealing money from you (im not reading through all the shit you have written) but its rightfully yours and agreed to be yours (although it was you who got his accounts banned im guessing) then hes in the wrong too....

    heck your method is now 90% dead if you look on ebay then you will see people selling there version of your ebook to others who if they have half a brain will do the same soon enough..... its dead and no more money in it and was short lived.... why on earth you made an ebook on it i dont know
     
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  3. xplicit

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    Here we go again....

    Report this shizz to a mod, We are tired of hearing freaking newbs come in and accuse BHW members that they scammed them... QUIT MAKING A F**CKING THREAD ABOUT IT... REPORT IT..

    Ok, I have ranted...

    Happy Holidays
     
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  4. chobo

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    How did I fuck him over.

    1. I dont have control over DP account so i made the thread so i can take it down.

    Again read twice - he keeps talking about CB & affiliate sales.




    So are you admitting that it takes skills to post a sales thread on DP to get sales?


    How am i fucking him over. I made the product, he got the money.

    He is not getting fucked over - because people paid him via donation. They cannot charge back.


    Again I wrote my proof


    Instead of just merely defending a homie and saying that 'i deserve it' maybe you should read my thread again.

    Despite our disagreements between our JV, is this still a right to scam me for my money.


    1. This is still a scam, because he will be making money
    2. He has not lost any money.
    3. He is still blackmailing me.
     
  5. Yukinari84

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    damn. that was a long ass read.

    I think I'll stay out of this one.;)
     
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  6. chobo

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    Already reported it - i thought the shit list was for public posting.





    And for the record - i love how you ignore my proof. So I will quote myself again. My post right here is NOT bitching about me not making my 100%.


    You are leaving me with nothing.

    Hence scam.



    (check other people's threads)


    Helloall - money for your advertising?

    You didn't lose money after the threads closed in the first place.

    The only thing you lost was potential future sales.
     
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  7. lewi

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    he has lost time which is money.... but anyway tell me this?

    how many sales have you made of this ebook total?
    places of advertisements done by you? by him?
    number of copies sold by you? by him?
    amount of money you have recieved? and have now?

    thanks
    lewi
     
  8. aмillionaírе

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    If you have reported it then you have done nothing wrong. The Shit List is a public section and doesn't even require pre-view from the staff, but that you reported it is good. Hopefully this can be resolved, it's quite ridiculous, where do people get off blackmailing others? I've been blackmailed before and that is why I take these things personally. Good luck!

    lol I could've just said preview hey? :p
     
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  9. xplicit

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    Ok, I have to voice my opinion....

    Homie Cheese, If you like your membership here at BHW, do yourself a favor and quit running your jabbers. Like I said before, Just report it to a mod and let them deal with you and the other member, We really dont give a deers ass after being shoot out of a tree stand from 30 yrds with a broad point, about what proof you have ot whatever you have.

    Quit freaking replying to the posts and report it. Its all a bunch of bull butter to keep this shit going,

    Use your chain of command my newbie buddie. If you READ right, you will see in the rules and in many "OMFG I GOT SCAMMED" post that they say REPORT TO MODS.... am I saying this loud enough for you to read and understand or Do I need to repeat myself like I am talking to my 4 yr old...

    WOW... Im on a roll.... I am going to take a 5 minute timeout so I can settle my redneck ass down.... Ya'll got me ready to go cow tipping in a field with Bulls.....
     
  10. Yukinari84

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    I think I'll just keep watching this thread so that I get to see Lewi's avatar!

    H-O-T!!:p

    In all seriousness thuogh, Xplicit is right. Just let the MOds deal with you and the
    other member. You sitting there defending your case in this thread is just gonna make things worse
    for yourself.
     
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  11. xplicit

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    Yea what he said...lol... and ditto on the avatar,
     
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  12. chobo

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    I'm not arguing -

    Neither am I going to quote you anymore - because it'l go on and on! my friend HelloAll

    This the last post in this thread for mods (it actually looks better in a thread than a pm (i know as a vbulletin owner)


    The only 300$ you gave me, helloAlll, is the 300$ you are trying to take away. Leaving me with nothing.
    Thats the issue at hand. Its not the fact about the contents of my ebook, neither is it the fact on how much cut i could have gotten, and etc. It is just this fact.


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    Enough said.

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    Have fun my friend.
     
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  13. lozzzer

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    I agree there are Jr. Vips who are here to scam newbies....my friend had a nasty experiece with of of them.....OKay guys you can donate $97 but tht does not make u any better than any other new member of BHW.....please be respectful
     
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  14. lewi

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    Thankyou for that and chobo if you have got 30% then your god damn lucky.... you would have only got 25% of this amount if you put it on cb....

    but hey this products too saturated after 20 copies anyhow so who gives a fuck its done and dusted.... another short lived product died a quick death.

    Chobo - please confirm the amount of money as $300 that you have got and received in your paypal account and is not on hold ect :)

    edit: okay helloall make sure he received the $300 which is his and then this is all cosha okay guys? no more go your seperate ways and shhhhhh
     
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  15. chobo

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    It is still on hold - see screenshot. So i'll let you know when this clears or not (if he takes his money back or not)
     
  16. lewi

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    helloall does make a good point..... all sales were his.. you have now wrecked his rep here and on other forums....
    ebay account lost
    time lost
    alot of sales lost
    dp account lost
    warrior forum account lost

    now price them all up for the things that can be replaced and you have what you owe him... + whatever you feel you should give him for your time....

    he wont sell your ebook and you go off an sell it on your own and keep all of them profits

    he could have gone off and replicated your ebook and kept all of it in the first place you do realise this right??? but oh no he stuck by you even after you fucked him about...

    im not trying to pick sides but honestly chobo you have caused alot of shit and now are causing even more.... his rep on bhw is pritty valuable thing you know and could be worth more than $300 on its own (something you prob dont understand).... ive actually had a few deals refused because of some past experiences due to people similar to you and so lost alot.

    sort this out please :) even if i have to be the middle man


    forgot to mention my avatar kicks assssss
     
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  17. Money2spare

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    I usually don't get into things, but I personally added Chobo's AIM account to my list. And I don't want people to think this is some JV conspiracy. Because I am a Jr Gangsta. But The @ can verify that I messaged him because I was concerned with a review I did on the book on DP. I specifically asked him was HelloAll his partner and I further inquired did HelloAll scam him. Because if he did I planned on removing my review of the method, which by the way I thought was a nice method-- well done... However getting back on track. The @ took maybe 3-5 minutes to respond to my question and said. No, we are doing a joint venture. Now I may not be the smartest frog on a log. But I take this to mean No HelloAll did not scam me, and yes we are partners.

    I just don't like to see a person come in and say they were scammed. When I specifically asked you this question and you told me you were not.

    Please tell the good people, that I did in fact contact you and ask you these precise questions and you gave these precise answers.

    Also you asked me did I purchase the book and I told you I did not. I am into to cpa/adsense to refresh your memory. Then you said "wow" thats cool are you using blackhat. and that is precisely when I chose to press ignore button and you didn't hear from me again.

    So Like I said--- We have a fundamental error in your statements. Please tell me we did not have this conversation and I am dreaming or did this really happen.

    My AIM says it did!
     
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  18. lewi

    lewi Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    maybe a poll needs to be called on how much money chobo should get or needs to give to helloall

    admins or mods this is up to you as they both lost out at the moment.... and you could call it fair... or just leave it down to paypal to decide lol...... or just lock this and shut them up :p well one of them in particular
     
  19. lewi

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    my personal view - give them chobos full details and tell them its his product and you were hired to help with promotion which is 100% true so at the end of the day the problems are to do with chobo not you mate.
     
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    this is a good read, finally know who is helloall's jv partner :)