Scam 3k people for $100 vs 1 person for $300k?

What's better in your opinion?

Before you click the option "I would never do that" and you have run any kind of affiliate traffic, read below.

So I was watching this. I follow trilogy media and other channels similar to this niche as they are quite good mirrors in human psychology.

In the year 2023 I earned about $300k in affiliate earnings within the adult dating niche. I don't know how many leads I generated but I would say approx 30k in PPL or it would be approx 3k in PPS.

Let's be straight honest here, as to how much we would like to sugarcoat it: adult dating affiliate marketing niche is a borderline scam, leads think they will connect with real persons but instead get chatters whose only task will be upsells or PTV.

Same as your onlyfans agency, which I wouldn't be wrong calling modern-day e-whoring. If you run OF agency with chatters etc, you are a scammer.

If you run dating offers, you are a scammer for sure.

Same as I am promoting shitty affiliate links.

We can hide behind the idea that we are not responsible for the end product and we can't control it but thats bullshit.

If you think your freshly cooked e-book of how to make tons of money within a short period of time working from home is any different from this, you need to stop lying to yourself. It's just a different type of product you are marketing but the idea is the same: you sell a dream, and there is small to no value behind it.

But hey, here is another angle to think about: these people want to have attention from these scammers, they desire to be loved, and they are happy to have someone to take care of(example).

So now that we have been past pretending that all of us would be white knights in this situation, what is your opinion on this?

Would be taking $100 from 3k people better than $300k from a single person?

I am against scamming, by all means, but I understand how most affiliate offers can only remain profitable after distributing so much commission by extracting as much money money as possible from the mark.

Ths topic makes me very uncomfortable. I mean the whole money over ethics debate.

But I guess, if I were to pick and choose $300k from one person would very likely lay ruin in the wake of the scam. And if $100 is being spent by a person for dating then there's a high chance they won't be as badly impacted if it doesn't turn out to be what they expected.

So lesser of the two evils, i guess?

Im totally against scamming and i have never done any adult or casino cause its against my so called “morals” but at same time i dont blame/judge people doing it!

We are all responsible for our own actions.

To answer your question:

lucky.sparks said:

Would be taking $100 from 3k people better than $300k from a single person?

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3k people for $100 sounds a bit less hurtful! I wouldnt mind loosing $100. I would be mad for a moment and forget it.

But $300k ?! Thats a lot of money. Most People work their whole life and wont be able to make such money!

GrantsKing said:

I am against scamming, by all means, but I understand how most affiliate offers can only remain profitable after distributing so much commission by extracting as much money money as possible from the mark.

Ths topic makes me very uncomfortable. I mean the whole money over ethics debate.

But I guess, if I were to pick and choose $300k from one person would very likely lay ruin in the wake of the scam. And if $100 is being spent by a person for dating then there's a high chance they won't be as badly impacted if it doesn't turn out to be what they expected.

So lesser of the two evils, i guess?

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I was typing while u have posted this!

We share almost same opinion

GrantsKing said:

I am against scamming, by all means, but I understand how most affiliate offers can only remain profitable after distributing so much commission by extracting as much money money as possible from the mark.

Ths topic makes me very uncomfortable. I mean the whole money over ethics debate.

But I guess, if I were to pick and choose $300k from one person would very likely lay ruin in the wake of the scam. And if $100 is being spent by a person for dating then there's a high chance they won't be as badly impacted if it doesn't turn out to be what they expected.

So lesser of the two evils, i guess?

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But is it less evil to cause small harm but on way bigger scale? I probably don't correctly estimate the harm done by what happens after I get paid for the lead: some of them lose thousands because of fake onlyfans models or smart chatters that run psychologically enchanted scripts to make them spend more and more.

I agree about comfort here, I guess this is reason why I never rebooted my adult journey after it died, and I'm not fully sure if I will do it.

It's good money but somewhere back in my head it made cancerous feeling about being a trash and harming too many people.

Interestingly, I'm not a people person, I do not care about people in general, so somehow this comes from my selfishness.

lucky.sparks said:

Would be taking $100 from 3k people better than $300k from a single person?

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I suppose you're asking from a morale standpoint. Objectively, it's better to scam the 1 person. In both situations the people are vulnerable to be affected or unaffected by the incident. For the 1 person 300k may be pennies, or it may be his life savings. Same applies for the 300 individuals with the $100. But there, you have 300 probabilities of negatively affecting the life of a person.

Morally, taking $100 from 3k people is the better option 100%. Losing 300k would change the trajectory of most people's lives majorly and in a bad way. $100 could do similar, but it'd be pretty unlikely to affect them past a week or 2 unless some other stuff was going on.

I mean we're talking about delaying someone's retirement indefinitely vs 3k people missing a credit card payment. IMO it's a no brainer.

It'd be pretty easy to get away with scamming 3k people for $100 vs 1 person for 300k as well.

Um no time to read, but saw that youtube link

so it is better to scam 3k people because chances are lower that any of the people is going after you

you scam 300k, you have 300% higher chance that you will be found

I focus on this only, no emotions, no bullshit.

If you are going to solve a puzzle, no need for tears, just logic.

I am total against scamming and i have never did adult stuff in my life i always hate this type of business.

friedmcchicken said:

Morally, taking $100 from 3k people is the better option 100%. Losing 300k would change the trajectory of most people's lives majorly and in a bad way. $100 could do similar, but it'd be pretty unlikely to affect them past a week or 2 unless some other stuff was going on.

I mean we're talking about delaying someone's retirement indefinitely vs 3k people missing a credit card payment. IMO it's a no brainer.

It'd be pretty easy to get away with scamming 3k people for $100 vs 1 person for 300k as well.

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here you have exact opposite point of view than mine, which is very interesting. For this guy, it's guaranteed that someone who spends 300k will be very negatively affected by it. which I absolutely disagree with. In fact, I would say the probabilities of such person being devastated by it would be slim, as it's likely that someone who spends 300k lightly on stuff like this can afford to lose it. also, I don't think it's about the money here. we're talking about morale, so it's about the notion of doing good or bad. I've seen and heard of people getting depressed and suicide for the pettiest shit. However, the pettiest shit for me is not the pettiest shit for them. so you simply cannot know how much something can affect someone if it's done in the right time and the right moment.

To add to that, the person with less money also has more probability of being depressed, having problems with romantic relationships, as money secures survival so you get partners, food and shelter by just having it. Even further, add that it's 3000 probabilities. it's a no brainer for me as well, but in the opposite as it is for you

with your last point I do agree with, as the person with more money has more resources to go after you if he decides to do so. but this has nothing to do with lucky.sparks main question

MgicalaEarner said:

I am total against scamming and i have never did adult stuff in my life i always hate this type of business.

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Your interest in AI girl influencers makes me think you should be more honest with yourself.

Ocra18 said:

but this has nothing to do with lucky.sparks main question

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I think I'm not even sure what was my main question, I think hearing opinions like yours was my main goal with this thread.

Ocra18 said:

here you have exact opposite point of view than mine, which is very interesting. For this guy, it's guaranteed that someone who spends 300k will be very negatively affected by it. which I absolutely disagree with. In fact, I would say the probabilities of such person being devastated by it would be slim, as it's likely that someone who spends 300k lightly on stuff like this can afford to lose it. also, I don't think it's about the money here. we're talking about morale, so it's about the notion of doing good or bad. I've seen and heard of people getting depressed and suicide for the pettiest shit. However, the pettiest shit for me is not the pettiest shit for them. so you simply cannot know how much something can affect someone if it's done in the right time and the right moment.

To add to that, the person with less money also has more probability of being depressed, having problems with romantic relationships, as money secures survival so you get partners, food and shelter by just having it. Even further, add that it's 3000 probabilities. it's a no brainer for me as well, but in the opposite as it is for you

with your last point I do agree with, as the person with more money has more resources to go after you if he decides to do so. but this has nothing to do with lucky.sparks main question

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I think it's worth mentioning the type of victims of these scams at this scale. These are not rich millionaires, or trust fund babies. Those people wouldn't feel shit losing 300k, but they're also very unlikely to get hit by something like this. The victims of something like this are typically older people living off their life savings/disability, or people who aren't mentally competent. Not all of them of course, but the vast majority.

These victims would be people like:

A 85 year old, dementia ridden, retiree losing that 300k he was going to live off of is guaranteed to have his life devastated and he will not recover.
A 55 year old guy with down syndrome who can't work because of his condition, but his parent's left behind some money for caretakers before they died. He will not recover.

(these are real cases you can find online)

$100 isn't realistically going to do that level of damage to someone. It could be the last straw for them, but it certainly won't be the whole thing. 300k is everything.

We're talking about the extremely unlikely chance to influence 3k people significantly, vs the extremely likely chance to ruin one persons life irreversably.

friedmcchicken said:

I think it's worth mentioning the type of victims of these scams at this scale. These are not rich millionaires, or trust fund babies. Those people wouldn't feel shit losing 300k, but they're also very unlikely to get hit by something like this. The victims of something like this are typically older people living off their life savings/disability, or people who aren't mentally competent. Not all of them of course, but the vast majority.

These victims would be people like:

A 85 year old, dementia ridden, retiree losing that 300k he was going to live off of is guaranteed to have his life devastated and he will not recover.
A 55 year old guy with down syndrome who can't work because of his condition, but his parent's left behind some money for caretakers before they died. He will not recover.

(these are real cases you can find online)

$100 isn't realistically going to do that level of damage to someone. It could be the last straw for them, but it certainly won't be the whole thing. 300k is everything.

We're talking about the extremely unlikely chance to influence 3k people significantly, vs the extremely likely chance to ruin one persons life irreversably.

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you love to see it. I just love when people come out of their comfort zone to think more about a topic that might be irrelevant for them. We're in a marketing forum, yet both you and me decided to take 5 minutes of our time to think about this dilemma a bit. And it's true, we can keep discussing about this and keep measuring things by quantity and quality. For example, I could mention that ruining a 85 year old mans life is irrelevant compared to ruining a 30-40 years old depressed dude life. And we can keep going on and on about this. An actual philosopher could come into the discussion and obliterate us with his years of experience thinking about this kind of dilemmas.

But that's not the case, as we're in a marketing forum, and this kind of stuff doesn't really concern us. But I'm glad we both stepped out of our comfort zone to discuss this a bit. With that said, I will absolutely not give even 1 more minute of time to think about this as I have to deal with youtube being a bitch

thanks for your input man, I see that you're new around (or it's your new alt) so I hope you find good info here in the forum!

lucky.sparks said:

Scam 3k people for $100 vs 1 person for $300k?

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Input from @IamScammer may be of value here.

lucky.sparks said:

Your interest in AI girl influencers makes me think you should be more honest with yourself.

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If you are judging me from my last post for learning AI, then you are wrong. Because of my religion, I will never promote any kind of things. I said that because I want to learn how to make this and use it in a better way.

MgicalaEarner said:

If you are judging me from my last post for learning AI, then you are wrong. Because of my religion, I will never promote any kind of things. I said that because I want to learn how to make this and use it in a better way.

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No, not at all, I've reached a stage in my life when I rarely judge anyone. You're cool.

Appreciate being honest about the industry, OP.

We’re all victims of the infinite growth pyramid scheme, never feel bad for trying to not be a debt slave.

With that said 300k is a felony and might get you murdered so I’ll take scamming for 100 off everyone in a small city Alex.

App installs and zip / email submits.

Get 10k emails monthly by using content locking.

I don't care about what happens to their data.

They should read rules on my websites.

As long as I provide incentive, there's no problem.

Offer is unattractive. I won't have long term clients.

I felt scammed so many times in real world it's just nothing to get some emails for incentives.

But affiliate marketing is legal and that's the problem here.

Real scam is akin to theft. You're more of a sneaky person. But that's what business is.

In business everyone is looking to fck other parties.

There's a big difference between not being fully honest and scamming.
I made tons of money on pin submit offers (you won an iPhone, etc...). The terms are available to read just below the button and the cost and chances of winning are right there. On top of that, most regulations required it to stand out in color and font size, so we didn't hide it at all.

If the user has the option to make an informed decision, I'm not considering it a scam.
I surely wasn't going to change the H1 to "Give me your money for a tiny chance to win an iPhone in a few months" just for the sake of honesty.