Sandboxing your way to the #1 Spot on the big G

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We have a full spectrum of websites, from light gray to black. The technique we find works best is to do proper onpage optimization and domain name optimization and then build the pages on the site titled according to the Google Wonder Wheel/Google Instant auto suggestions. If we do this, generally speaking the site will appear within the first 10 to 20 pages of the Google Serps without any links whatsoever. If this doesn't happen, I typically find some problem with onpage/domain name/wonder wheel optimization and fix it.

Next we start building links. We like to use sparsely and randomly interlinked, at least three level, link pyramids. Some of the innermost levels point at the new site. We typically use more than one pyramid. We both insource and outsource the pyramids. It is good to have a mixture.

The key is to hold off on the link building throttle enough so that actual traffic is in reasonable balance with the created backlinks. I think this is cause of the sandbox. Until the actual site traffic from your 17,000 backlinks justifies those links, you sit in the sandbox. Everybody says, no, Google doesn't know my traffic because I don't install analytics. There are lots of other ways to discover traffic, from Alexa, to ISPs, to various network sniffing programs, etc. And if you won't tell Google your traffic, I think they also tend to assume the worst. I know many will call it heresy, but it may actually help to install Google Analytics and verify your traffic from the beginning.

So when you make a new site, go easy on the backlink accelerator. If you manage to build something viral, then both the instantaneous traffic and the zillions of backlinks will be in balance. If not, ramp up the backlinks slowly and the chances of sandbox problems are greatly diminished. If you must build 17,000 links in one week with xrumer or the like, either buy some generated traffic or be prepared to wait a few months before actual traffic can justify all those links. You can keep building links in the mean time, but I really wouldn't create this many on a regular basis unless you were in some sort of SEO death battle for the search term "iPhone" or something like that. And even if you were, you need a more sophisticated strategy than just building lots of links to overcome your competitors in the Serps.
 

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I am bringing up a new WH site right now. I have lots of #1's in g00gle and have a lot of experience but I have never backlinked heavily. I have scrapebox and am playing with it but I do not go for the shotgun approach.

Website came online 2 days ago. G00gle visited website 21 times since yesterday, I don't know why 21 times but whatever.

I have had sites disappear (sandbox-like) and re-appear and some make it straight through just fine. I am leaning towards thinking "if the search engines have to figure out where to place my website I need to revisit my onpage SEO".

But again, I have never backlinked heavily...my heavy traffic site only shows 215 links in Yahoo and I am kicking butt. Why? Content.

Still tho, I feel the dark side calling me... ;)

How competitive are these niche's and how long did it take for you to rank well with just "good content"?
 

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All this talk about holding off until you see traffic can be easily manipulated by throwing fake traffic at it or those 30 second exchanges etc etc for really cheap prices!

But am interested to see the results!

Lewi
 

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As Cyrus stated very well there is a sure way out of the sandbox even for new websites, you just have to look for it, and for the backlinks.. continue building them,you get in the sandbox again, rinse and repeat.
 

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So I assume that no one has escaped this?

I got punked today. Can't find my site at all.

Xrummer and everything...
 

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The theory that is suggested by the OP DOES WORK. However while your site is sitting in the sandbox, you have to build your links slow and steady, mean while try to get traffics into your websites so that it looks natural.

If you are sitting in the sandbox and you still blast with xrumer/scrapebox, then you are most likely not gonna see your website in the SERP again.

However, there is another myth on which, even if your site is sitting in sandbox, however, you can still rank for Yahoo search engine and Bing, at which afterall it is not a bad thing because I strongly believe Yahoo and Bing do give a better conversion traffic to you.

PS* Google's algorithm is different from Yahoo and Bing.
 

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I would like to clarify that if you still show up in google on any term, your not sandboxed, your doing the google dance. We are messing around trying to trick an incredibly complicated algorithm and so its going to get confused on how to rank us. I have sites that i hit really really hard with links that will rank decent (5-10th) for a week or so, then completely fall out of the rankings for another week or so then come back in the 1-3 spot. just keep building links and stop looking at daily results as signs of success.
 

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How competitive are these niche's and how long did it take for you to rank well with just "good content"?

I did not mean "only" good content. My onsite SEO is very strong and I am working on a 3+ year old domain. The niche is mid-low competition, but most players have entrenched websites going back 7-8 years. Exact match traffic runs 50K monthly but only pays $ 0.10. Anyway...

I agree for high competition niches you need backlinks, but on low competition niches ---

exactMatchDomain.com/net/org + onsite SEO + factual, original content + time = WhiteHat rankings
 

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I did not mean "only" good content. My onsite SEO is very strong and I am working on a 3+ year old domain. The niche is mid-low competition, but most players have entrenched websites going back 7-8 years. Exact match traffic runs 50K monthly but only pays $ 0.10. Anyway...

I agree for high competition niches you need backlinks, but on low competition niches ---

exactMatchDomain.com/net/org + onsite SEO + factual, original content + time = WhiteHat rankings

So what do you think about other domains like - .info .biz .me .us?
I know this has been talked about a lot.

Just wanted to hear your opinion since you mentioned only those 3.
 

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It is an interesting theory, your results will prove it, so as much testing as possible is great.

I only find it happens on newer sites, and I still think they go for a manual review. Manual review makes sense, a pair of eyes to look over the site and see if it is actaully of any value to a reader.
 

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It is an interesting theory, your results will prove it, so as much testing as possible is great.

I only find it happens on newer sites, and I still think they go for a manual review. Manual review makes sense, a pair of eyes to look over the site and see if it is actually of any value to a reader.
It is not possible to manually review all the new site. Not to mention new pages from every sites. To do that job google should employ the whole world population to do their jobs. Not to mention only part of the population understand English. I think after every large BL blast google will "sand box" your site to do some isolation test. If you pass that test your site will comeback with higher ranking.
 

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Alright, screw it, I'm in. Gonna start building backlinks to my review site (The site, I have to say, is 6 years old so we'll see. :D)
I'm just gonna start with posting on 5K sites a day using SB, let's see what happens when the shit hits the fan ^^

(Blegh, gotta harvest a big list first :p Maybe I have some on my computer ^^)
 
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Can you guys collectively blast on a new site to see if it can get sandboxed permanently? And I mean PERMANENTLY.
 

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read throught this thread, very thanks for this info~~~

my 1 month old site now in sandbox, and I'm try to build backlinks slowly, try the profile links from tomorrow~~~
 

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mods, its impossible to contribute to this site. I just lost a post that took me over 30 minutes to type out because it auto software determined it to be spam?

WTF?
 

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I personally do not think due to quantity of backlinks you can ever get sandboxed by G.

If that possible, then everyone can sandboxed their competitors and enjoy internet world.

It depends only on what type of backlinks you get.

For example, if a new website get 10000 forum profiles in short span of time, it obviously makes alarm in G mind. But if you make 5000 forum profile, 1000 blog comment posting, 50 article backlinking, 1000 web 2.0 backlinking, 2000 forum signature backlinking with out keywords, it will not make any problem in G, because G will find that all backlinks are from different sources, so it is high chance all are good and genuine and in a natural way.
 
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