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Same IP for BPN and money site ?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Cold Brew, Jul 17, 2016.

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  1. Cold Brew

    Cold Brew Newbie

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    Hello,
    I wonder if I should buy different shared hosting to host each of my PBN site to avoid them sharing the same IP adress ?
    Same question for PBN and money site ? If one of the tier 2 is flaged will the money site and the rest of the network be impacted ?

    Thank you
     
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    With PBN's, separate everything. They are suppose to seem completely unique and not connected in ANY way. It's a hassle but if you're gonna spend the money on a PBN then do it properly so that money isn't wasted.
     
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    The fact that OP had to ask that question tells me that he may be dangerously uninformed about SEO. I recommend reading up and learning more before trying anything risky with his site. Wow.

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    Exactly - OP you should take this comment seriously otherwise you risk losing / ruining your money site. Well, I guess if its just a MNS site or throwaway project then it doesnt matter, its probably the best way to learn, but if its important then take caution and keep learning before you try to impliment PBN.
     
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    Thank you all for your answers, what's still isn't clear for me is that people sharing the same IP adresse than me aren't responsible for my action.
    Let say I buy a shared hosting space + domain and I screw up really bad with spammy stuff you're saying that all people sharing the same IP than me will be penalized as well ?
    Could be a great scheme to destroy concurrence haha
     
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    Thats NOT what anyone is saying (just your assumption)........hence the suggestion need to read and learn a lot more about seo!
     
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    You can have 2 or more pbns in the same host, but never in the same host as your money site.
     
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    So what is your assumption ?

    this seems to be open for debate
    here's another opinion: http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-many-money-sites-per-pbn.766918/#post-8078999

    It would be great to have more than brief opinion/assumption idealy

    (for lack of anything better like cross sources references)
    From my perspective answer is the safest assumption AleeGS, if I got caught selling marijuana cops won't arrest the whole building that wouldn't make any sens. But you don't shit where you eat so it's good to separate money site from PBN.

    Disclaimer: I trought that my original account was lost so I created a second "Cold Brew" I informed the mods yesterday that I recovered my account and that they could dispose of "Cold Brew" account as they please.
     
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    Do what feels right for you, noone is going to stop you. Host all sites on same IP's if thats what you want.
     
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    This has nothing to do with 'the whole' building' per your example, its about your 'Personal' footprints and how to make things look as natural as possible. A better example is if you stole 10 Million and wanted to play safe, it would be better to have 10 proxy accounts in 10 countries each with $1Mil, than 10 accounts at the same local bank each with $1Mil. Its about your own personal footprints.

    Also IP diversity plays a part in rankings. So if you have 10 sites all on the same IP, the SEO benefit is reduced. Also its a huge personal footprint to have 10 sites linking to you all from same IP! If found, only your 10 sites will be penalised, and NOT everyone else. Cause you set a footprint linking your PBN to each other.

    There is no 100% full proof method but there are ways to at least minimise your 'Personal' footprints....such as different hosts, IPs, etc.
     
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    One separate and unique IP per PBN, one separate and unique whois per PBN... leave NOTHING between PBNs. And don't even think of sharing resources/info between a PBN and your money site. If you want to do research, build a side project that you don't care about and test on it. But keep the testing away from your money sites.

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    Thank you for your answers, I have the same question for white hat SEO, is there any advantage to have as many IP address as websites ?
     
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    I guys, this's my 1st post here so be patient if not fully related... i read tons of info before jump in... and now im but confused :(...Could I use all money site on same shared hosting (not linked each others) then use PBNs link splitted on different hosting/Whois etc etc.. to link to these money sites?
    So cost saving for me could be on money site hosting rather multiple hosting PBN

    Do u think this could be a footprint: different PBN pointing to same IP althought domains with different whois data ?

    Thanks
     
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    They are suppose to seem completely unique and not connected in any way. It's a hassle but if you're gonna spend the money on a PBN then do it properly so that money isn't wasted.
    It's a hassle but if you're gonna spend the money on a PBN then do it properly so that money isn't wasted.
     
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    Money site and PBN should not be hosted on the same server to avoid pattern.
     
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    We are basically out of IPv4, and the number of IPs that exists with each hosting companies is very limited, keeping those factors in mind; ARIN themselves recommend to share the IP address for hosting website purpose and unless you need SSL don't get the Dedicated IP.

    Now, the reason I wrote the above couple sentence is because companies like Host Gator, Digital Ocean, etc. are hosting thousands of websites on every IP they own, and most of them are 100% legit sites owned by the real business, bloggers, small-to-medium size companies around the world. If you were to ban the IP on Google, you are deindexing 1000s of the legit website as well, and Google cannot do that as they need these sites to provide their users with relevant sites.

    Google are doing a manual review on Blog Network Sellers and companies who are advertising themselves as SEO Host where the company holds a bunch of IPs from various providers that are only hosting such blogs and networks, that is a real risk and could cost the entire network to be deindexed. But at the same time, Google or any other company wouldn't ban the IPv4 forever; they are unbanned after a while.
     
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