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Running ONE Legit Site takes a ton of time.. Larger sites Are a Major Time Suck.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by weruncompanies, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. weruncompanies

    weruncompanies Power Member

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    Research (Multiple Sources)
    Content Writing
    Image Sourcing
    Image Editing
    Creating Wordpress Post
    Uploading Images
    Updating Page's On-Page SEO

    And That's Just ONE post.

    Then there's social networking.. Have to hit up Facebook, Twitter, Google+ for each post.
    Then backlinking that post.

    How are you all conserving time? For real legit larger sites, I have to play by the book (legally), but for SEO it's whatever..
    And still finding myself incredibly busy.

    Should I hire a VA? Anyone using one? Any ideas? Going to outsource content writing soon, but still a time suck.
     
  2. Dally

    Dally Junior Member

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    Yes, it does require a lot of time, but it should be worth it in the long run when you make money from it. Best thing to do is find lots of writers or publishers for your site who'll publish up to date articles for you free because they're passionate about the subject (this rarely happens though).

    If the money you're making isn't worth the time you're putting into it then stop doing it or hire a VA. Never tried hiring a VA myself though as I don't think they would do a very good job of it (might be me being paranoid).

    Check out this thread by the way:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ow-i-build-rank-monetize-authority-sites.html
     
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  3. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    You should also consider the 'set it and forget it' strategy where you just create a minisite with a couple of well-SEOed pages and monetization on it, then leave it alone. To save money, put them on a blogger blog, so you don't have to put money in it. Lots of sites have been made with only ONE page or article on them, that are still being ranked high by the search engines. So as a trade-off for not doing endless labor, taking a risk in just doing one-off initial work on a site may be a suitable solution.
     
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  4. -Jericho-

    -Jericho- Jr. Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I hired a writer from odesk for one of my sites who I gave some basic instructions to on how to SEO and videos on how to post everything. He was a good writer and I was getting 600-700 word posts done for around $7 each. It was a complete hands off approach for me. Saved me a lot of time until I got a major penalty for unnatural links.
     
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  5. Techxan

    Techxan Elite Member

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    Well, all that only takes a couple of hours or so for me. Many times a lot less. DNS will save you a TON on the article writing. I always save royalty free images to my hard drive and tag them, so now I have a huge library, and I always carry a camera, so it is usually easy to get images for just about anything i need. Add in Kozzi and Dreamstime, good to go. Huge selection of PLR graphics and such as well.

    I do a lot of my graphics work with logo and banner creators, using Photoshop for the harder stuff, still only takes a short time in most cases. I am no artist, though, so I don't do much manipulation. I use Thumbs plus for all the graphics work that PS doesn't do. (seriously, get yourself a copy of this)

    I suggest that you might benefit from some procedural checklists. It helps me to go down a step by step checklist when I do something, and there is a certain speed that comes with familiarity.

    I have never had a problem with content. I have the long-windest posts on the forum I think. Give me the internet and 30 minutes and I can write about anything. It just isn't grammatically correct, it is more normal in a common vernacular. DNS really helps with content.

    If I am planning some particular special project or article. I may spend a few weeks polishing it, but many times it's a on the fly deal, inspiration strikes, I do research, write out a outline and set it aside. Name it with the proper tags, and then when I need an article, I look at the outlines I have saved and flesh out the one I decide to use, or start on a new ione if none fit my needs. Right now I have a few dozen on various niches I am interested in. I use evernote to grab things off the net, and use my tagging scheme to tag everything consistently for the sake of searches.

    I use name-source-what it pertains to (2nd, 3rd, as needed)-date-what it is-and any pertinent tags (I have it on a label running across the bottom of my monitor for reference.) For instance, If I found a download of Powershots Pro on BHW, when I saved it I would name it "powershots-BHW-PS-GR-aug2012-SWUT. To me this would mean something called Powershots, from BHW, for photoshop & graphics, downloaded in Aug 2012, and it is software, untested. I change the name to tested and add a number for how useful it is after I check it out. This way I can find anything I need by hitting any of those parameters in a search. If I download a PLR plugin for Magento, I can find it quite easily, even If I cannot remember the name. I can even guess at what month I downloaded, and automatically see the latest version of something if I have multiple downloads. since I have been doing this for a very long time, I do not spend a lot of time looking for things like images, plugins, articles, and such.

    In addition, everything i get goes into a folder on the desktop that I use as a download buffer. When I empty the download buffer, I sort the items into a folder that makes the most sense, themes and templates into "themes", plugins and scripts into "scripts", graphics into "Graphics" and so on. I only have one copy (mostly) of anything on my computer, and when I use something I take it into a folder called "WIP-project name" WIP means "work in progress". When a project is done I dump all the crap and zip it up and label it as an archive by website name and component. I have WIP's for everything I am currently doing, and archives for everything I have done tagged this way. Every once in a while I zip up the website folder and make a master archive and date it. When I do this I dump the old archive. I have a copy of almost anything I have done, ready for reuse if I ever need it again.
     
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  6. weruncompanies

    weruncompanies Power Member

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    Thanks tons of great information, helped a lot!
     
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    When you get totally burnt out just flip to the product side and get paid twice as much doing half as much work.

    I have affiliate properties but the real money is in selling products yourself rather than selling them for someone else. Affiliate marketing is just you working your ass off trying to get traffic and trying to tell the traffic to buy from a product seller so you can get a small cut of the profit. Sell the product and keep all the profit!

    I work almost 24.7 doing the same stuff you mentioned but not to get paid 4-6%. If I convert a sale I get 25-40% and put in just as much work as you do trying to get 4-6%. Seems like a no-brainer to me to do the work and get paid more money. You won't need near as much traffic and most likely make more money with just one or two sales a month then you will working your ass off for affiliate income.

    Just my nickel's worth and good luck to you!
     
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  8. weruncompanies

    weruncompanies Power Member

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    That's sort of what I've been doing.

    10/12 = Product, 2/12 = Article.
    Every 10 posts = products, 200-300 words.
    Every 2 posts = articles on in-depth topics 800 words.

    But I'm not selling products myself YET*. Amazon is just "okay". Very true great advice, I'm looking into that direction pretty soon here.
    Also my other product, was just advertisements for featured companies to promote stuff.. (Trying to get a solid $/per month, the rest would be bonus.)
     
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    ^True Dat^

    But developing your own products takes LOTS of time as well. I've been going on for over a month for a set of products for my niche, haven't made anything yet from them because they're not finished. Although in the meantime I've been selling my affiliates' products and banking.

    Today I sold low $xxxx worth of affiliate, and it kills me to think it could have been all mine! Well the net profit at least...

    @ OP, legit sites are tough, but the efforts do pay off eventually. I don't think I myself would trust a VA for my best site, although I would definitely consider hiring someone local through CL if the budget fit.

    You may find this post helpful for outsourcing.
     
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  10. joaquin112

    joaquin112 Regular Member

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    it's becoming less and less profitable to create large authority sites. I just finished a 1,100-page website and it was hit by some Google update a few days ago. Pure unique content, most of it outsourced. I was starting to see $250+ days and the traffic was increasing almost daily. As white hat as it can get - pure high-quality links. 6-year old domain that was sitting around with some articles. I think it's much safer to create lots of smaller sites rather than a huge site that can be hit at any time... Take my advice :)
     
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  11. maxmyer969

    maxmyer969 Newbie

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    Start thinking about how you can build a team...its hard to be successful just by yourself.