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Rotten Apples In BHW

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by steelballs, Oct 11, 2013.

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  1. steelballs

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    Rotten Apples In BHW


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    This great forum BHW has reached a developmental stage, wherein the members are now north of 500,000 members, with 1000s of new members every month.

    With scale comes management issues of control and moderation, (I am aware that new Mod appointments are under selection) ? Certainly that will help?

    But what concerns me is the apparent disintegration of camaraderie and unity In BHW.

    Frankly and bluntly I do not see the united front coming back anytime soon?

    Let me tell you why digging back through the historical archives of business ? society and that taboo word not allowed to discuss here politics? On every corner and in all niches one will find cliques ? cartels ? rings ? gangs call them what you may. That is the card that human nature dealt us, and this will always happen in society.

    But gangs and the like, often escalate into troublesome and divisive cancers and they multiply?

    Now in real time, the problems in BHW right now are not going to go away over night?

    The biggest problem to deal with here is the cancerous caucuses ? if not cut out ? they will multiply erupt and f**k up all of BHW

    Even uneducated people know that if you have a one rotten apple in a box of fresh apples the rotten one will rot the rest?

    No if?s ? No but?s ? you have to clean the box and take out the rotten ones?

    Rotten Apples In BHW?
     
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  2. pxoxrxn

    pxoxrxn Supreme Member

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    What are you talking about?
     
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  3. steelballs

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    Well just to start with an easy one too many threads quickly developing away from debate and reasoning into a sh!t fight of abuse between members...

    That to me, who likes to keep it simple is a disintegration of camaraderie and unity In BHW.
     
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  4. b1step-ahead

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    is this part of the government shutdown?
     
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  5. steelballs

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    ROFL - Fantastic love to see humor and sarcasm is alive and kicking:cool:
     
  6. pxoxrxn

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    I haven't seen many thread where member are flaming but I think it gets to a point where more members isn't as profitable as less, good quality members?
     
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  7. davids355

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    BHW is as good as ever. Just enjoy it and set the example by acting how you think everyone else should act, and we'll all be fine.
     
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  8. Asif WILSON Khan

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    I think steelballs is implying that the flaming is about to get a whole lot worse.
    I think it has already started in a couple of threads

    I agree with him that anybody caught breaking the rules should face the consequences.

    People need reminding that BHW is NOT a democracy and if you break the rules or ToS then your account is at risk.
     
  9. GoGetRanked

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    and then there are those , among the rotten apples i mean , who SCAM ( outright scam people ) and then POST on BHW ..how well they did and made XXXX dollars .. sickens me to death .

    regards,
    ToG
     
  10. steelballs

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    I think I can see where you are coming from, but do you not think that is to be expected when BHW has over 500,000 members at this time...

    I think the target balance must be to have more good quality members right across BHW...
     
  11. funkybunker

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    I happen to agree with this about 80%

    I understand we cannot make this site perfect generally speaking, since humans are not perfect by default.
    And new members show up everyday (remember our beginnings here?) that truly do grow to become phenomenal business people.

    And then there are those who want to see BHW burn, so finding a way to encourage quality above "popularity" is most important, I believe.

     
  12. Nigel Farage

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    Meh. Leadership is by example. Go be the change you want to see. 7878 is looking for more Mods. Go be one if you want a crusade.

    Else, stop doing the shuck & jive around the subject and start naming some names. Exactly WHO are these "Rotten Apples" and what makes them so rotten. Your meandering post is meaningless, and cliche. It's not like we don't see a wailing post about what's wrong with BHW every 4 or 5 days.

    Next maybe you'll do a post asking about the difference between white & black hat SEO.

    How does one define a "Rotten Apple" anyways. Does senior Members that persist is making banal and nonproductive posts about generalized negativities that do not name specifics nor do they offer solutions count as "rotten"? And how many useless, rotten posts does a senior member have to make before he transitions from "Rotten Post Maker" to "Rotten Apple".

    I don't think we have a problem with rotten anything. I think the primary problem with BHW is that there is a class of supposedly senior and more knowledgeable members that attempted to enforce standards that they 1) failed to maintain themselves and 2) failed to even describe adequately.

    I post questions all the time. Half of those questions go unanswered. The other half are almost always answered inadequately. And it's almost never a "senior" member that delivers a constructive answer, and frequently it's a newb that just joined.

    Why do perfect strangers to the forum seem to know more about SEO than people that have been here for years?

    It's easy to mince words and talk around the topic, make yourself look good, and feel good to give the appearance of concern, without having to take any risk whatsoever nor demonstrate any constructive answers, nor even role-modeling.

    It's a new day for you Blues, now that the neg-Rep system has been dismantled. It's time for you to start earning that status, and stop with your whining, crybaby shit that you've all (for the most part) been doing for at least the entire year that I've been here. The time for these weak, lame-ass, whining and bitch-like posts is over, and if you can't contribute something worthwhile, I think it's time for you to start doing so, or you can practice the ancient art of shutting the fuck up.
     
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  13. pixelgrinder

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    What would people think about imposing a preliminary 30-day wait period for all new accounts? During this period, you cannot post anything. There is also a banner at the top that links to a stickied thread about how to get started. This hopefully prevents the process of signing up > immediately posting threads asking 'how do i make money' or sending obnoxious PMs and posting threads asking questions that have been asked 500 times before.

    I think we need a way to help mold new members with the hopes they will be better/more contributing by the time they are able to start getting involved.
     
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    are you a bit emotional today to start such a thread? dumped?
     
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  15. Tensegrity

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    May 2013? You are still in your beginnings, my friend :p


    @steelballs, I feel ya. I think focusing on making money and setting the example is the only thing you can do if you aren't a Mod or admin. Get back into that and focus less on the BS!
     
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    +rep I must say, very strong argument being made here. I'd be curious to here the counter argument of this.
     
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    As the size of the forum grows, so does the volume of both desirable
    and undesirable members. With such large numbers, it is a delicate
    balance the staff has to keep. Fortunately, we have intelligent and caring
    people on our staff who are constantly working for the betterment of
    the community.

    Trust me when I say that we will not let this forum go south.

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
     
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  18. krishnap

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    Your writing skill is awesome.

     
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  19. steelballs

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    With respect you are missing the point 100% nevertheless found your post amusing which always goes down well...:cool:

    I used the rubric ‘Rotten Apples' primarily to get a reaction - it sure did that...

    I am not going to counter debate your article (because you already asked me to shut the f**k up) surely the classic way to build unity in BHW but thanks again...

    My agenda is to help (every little helps) BHW increase and maintain camaraderie and unity In BHW.

    I will continue to do that and if folks do not like that - tough - but what I am not going to do is stoop down to the level of telling folks to shut the f**k up how does that help!
     
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  20. Tealover

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    Steelballs, i find your thread a bit misleading. Don't take me wrong, I respect you and there is a sense in your message. But, to my mind, your idea about rotten apples looks a bit agressive. And it's totally against the principe of unity.
    To my mind, there is two main problems:
    1) Newbies doesn't even try to do something. Really. There are tons of great methods that will earn monkeys to your papal.
    2) We all scared of competition and there is a Dogma that you'll not share the method that you're earning, giving away only old methods.
    We couldn't change the 1 one. 99% will fail, as they say. And we can't force members to share more then they want.
    I just want to make 2 things.
    1) Competition is something that will help you to improve your skills. There will be tons of noobs on your field, if you are good you'll deffinitly beat them out.
    2) I would like to share something, the only method that make me money online nowadays - creating PVA Facebook and gmail accs.
    So, basically you'll need windows mobile 7+ phone and app called textme. create account, get the us phone number and veriffy your account. Registration is easy, they even don't send you email to veriffy it. I've checked this right now - it's worked.
     
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