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Roger Langile Scam Artist Fast Talker or Guru?

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by knowledgeblast, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. knowledgeblast

    knowledgeblast Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hey All Of You

    I have had the great misfortune to deal with Roger Langile. He claims you can make thousands of dollars per month selling products sold on Amazon on Ebay. I fell for this hype smoke and mirrors. At first he was very nice agreeing to be my personal coach if I spent $500 to buy his Visilas. I purchased the product in order to learn his ebay "secrets" he only made himself available for the first few days and then, poof he was gone with the wind.

    When he finally surfaced he kept promising me more video training but it never happened.

    He tells you to list tons of items which screwed up my ebay account. I am just wanting to know is this he usual MO.

    I'd like to hear from others who have worked with Roger Langile. Good or bad plz share your experience in the hopes helping someone else avoid the same mistakes tat I did.

    He dangles hope and promise of push button ebay riches from a titanium poswerseller. I say, don't believe the hype.

    Best thing is to find legit products that you can control and place them on ebay

    Good Luck in your efforts I hope this helps in your journey to success.

    Any other thoughts or questions just let me know.
     
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  2. Ramus313

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    Before I started IM, I was kind of into Ebay, and I was in a similar situation. This guy wanted me too list items for him, then wire the sellers money to him, and he would ship it himself. I spoke with him on the phone and everything, so it seemed pretty legit. Luckily after the first wire (of $100), I realized it was a scam. I got him to wire the money back to me, because I had found out all of his personal information(I don't know what he was thinking, but he formed an LLC under this scam business), and told him I was going to upload all of his personal information to the multiple Scambook pages that were on him and all of his identities. I was pretty lucky, but I rarely use Ebay anymore because of that whole experience.
     
  3. knowledgeblast

    knowledgeblast Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Wow! Ramus I had a bad feeling b/c he was so blantant with it that he was/is very comfortable ripping people off with his tactics. This trick of offering "free ebay training" only if you spend $500 to purchase is how is becoming a top producer over at the Visalus company while still ripping people off. He is really a piece of work. I'm sorry that happened to you but I understand how you feel believe me.

    I am still trying to recover financially from Roger's tactics.
     
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    Did you make any sales with the ebay method? I know the method and have had very nice success with it.

    The thing is you need to use other resources besides amazon to get your items to list. There are a lot of other sites out there to use.

    You also need to think about ways to save money when you buy the product like coupons, cash back options etc....I get the feeling that you might not have given the method enough time or effort because the method does work very well if done right
     
  5. knowledgeblast

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    No, not following that method. It is quite costly and you have to find products with enough margin for you to make a small profit after fees etc.

    I appreciate your input on your experience. The method may have some merit but the under way that he presents his techniques and the forcing you into an MLM in order to even learn of his methods just sticks in my craw:). I know that it is his choice to use this little tactic but I think if the method is as solid as he claims he would not need smoke and mirrors.

    Further, you really have to be able to find good sourcing of your products and his amazon trick makes me nervous b/c if your customer finds out you source from Amazon you must might get the ax.

    Cheers
     
  6. DougG79

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    I have listened to this man and he has nothing to offer that you cannot learn yourself. He is a total scam who has made thousands on sucking people into his plan when 7 other people post free how to do the same thing on youtube. Like ebayisajoke on youtube both are scamming people for money to help people when many others do it for nothing. I have dropshipped from Amazon to ebay and did not need to pay these men a single dime.
     
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  7. knowledgeblast

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    I couldn't agree more.... the only thing is his little brown box trick. Most may not figure out how to get around having the Amazon label on the outside of the box when delivered to your customer. He must have some special script or something.

    I do think it is a shame the way he goes about making his money on the little guy. His method has legs but to me he only gives out a fast talking version and when pressed for the nuts and bolts he is sketchy. Is this b/c he doesn't know or unwilling to give a damn. This I don't know but people need to do a bit of their own research b/4 jumping on the Roger Langile train, IMHO.
     
  8. fibo202

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    more fool you.
     
  9. knowledgeblast

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    I am hopeful that this thread will help others avoid getting caught up in Roger's scam tactics and his bait and switch web. I think he may have good info to offer but the way he is fleecing people is insane.

    Before you sign up to his latest scheme do your homework and research how much of what he offers is being shared at no charge. Just a word to the wise. Keep sharing your experiences with Roger, this info will surely offer guidance.

    Hope this will help someone.

    Cheers
     
  10. scallen37

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    Anybody who offers to teach you about the amazing methods of Dropshipping is a scammer.

    Here is why:

    You are a user looking to sell goods on eBay and you are looking to make money. This typically means 3 things:

    1) You are new to eCommerce
    2) You currently do not have a lot of money.
    3) You don't like to do hard work or like taking risks.

    So then they teach you about the "amazing potential" of selling on a place such as eBay.

    Please see this link: Why I prefer EBAY over every other type of Internet Marketing . . .

    This is because eBay is a household name, you've probably been on the site before, you have a general idea of how eBay works. eBay so is amazing for this and that, blah blah blah. I mention this, because this is a user here on BHW who sells the same thing Roger Langille does. A guide on dropshipping.

    Now they know you don't have a whole lot of money so they mention "droshipping" - and then say what people such as Roger Langile say, you can have access to thousands of products, no money needed, and you list items for an increased price on eBay and you make your profit. If you have no money, and especially do not like risking your own money then you probably dream about this kind of thing at night and then wake up and find out that your ejaculated in your sleep. Also, they will always mention something like: You don't even have to ship out these items, just send the information to ______ and they will send it out to your customer" because they know that you are (3) Lazy, and do not like hard work.

    Droshipping is being eliminated by eBay. I said it. Several years ago eBay was still focused on traffic, branding, and being the lead as a auction style platform where most of eBays money was made from fees from small sellers. When John Donahue stepped in he said "We are going to beat Amazon" - at which point they started contacting companies such as ToysRUs by saying "Hey, come sell on eBay and we will offer a greatly reduced amount on fees." Slowly but surely, many companies are begining to utilize eBay as a sales channel. In fact, when big corporations had to figure out how to technically sell their inventory on eBay they hired a bunch of guys to develop what they needed, and these guys went on to form what is now "ChannelAdvisor."

    Many of these "Gurus" online teach you about utilizing companies like ToysRus and dropshipping their items, but now these "Suppliers" are now selling on eBay themselves... so there goes that!

    Then there started to become a huge divive in the Small eBay sellers which make up more than 90% of all eBay sellers and the "medium sized sellers" - the guys doing anywhere between $100,000 and $1,000,000 in sales each year. The divide got bigger and bigger. Is this what eBay wanted? Many agree that it is what eBay wanted. So now when you are a seller on eBay and you go from maybe $20,000 a year in sales to $100,000 eBay will call you up, do a little homework on you, and ask if you are dropshipping because it is Not Allowed to have items distributed by a Third Party (which is Dropshipping) - the only way you can do it is if you are operating under the radar which is possible but not easy if you don't have the experience.

    Here is something never really covered by people who advocate dropshipping on eBay. When you buy an item from a supplier 90% of the time, they are not going to ship that item out within 48 hours. eBay's marketplace Demands items be sent out in less than 24 hours because if you don't, and it takes a customer a week or two to get an item them you get either a low DSR or a negative feedback. What happens if you get too many of those? eBay suspends you.

    The reason why I HAD to create a stealth account was because I bought this $500 course that taught me how to dropship from Alibaba, and then when it wasn't working, I paid for 1 on 1 consultation with an "expert" (that I later found out that lives in a run down mobile home in the middle of nowhere) for $2000 - this guy is still on the WarriorForum and sold an "Alibaba" method himself about a year ago. Eventually I lost my account because of low dsrs, and well deserved negative feedback. To get back on eBay I had to do my due diligence, invest actual money into inventory, take the risk, and handle the slave work known as packaging and shipping. Then I was able to make money.

    My advice: Anyone who advocates dropshipping as their Main selling method in any eBay related course is an immediate flag that says you should walk the fuck away.
     
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  11. ateep22

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    you should have still uploaded his personal info everywhere
     
  12. Barrels

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    Thats why its always better to take free advice and never pay for it. 99% of the time its scam artists. I bet there are some free youtube videos of people giving advice and the rest has to be your creativity.
     
  13. jimmyjoebob

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    Okay so Roger Lamille's training on drop shipping is no good?

    A couple mentions have been made here as to learning this business of drop shipping for free. Someone care to post info on where to get that?

    Someone else says drop shipping is bad, that ebay is going to end it. Okay, but if they haven't ended it yet, and it doesn't take a lot of investment to do it, why not do it and see if it makes money until they do end it??

    I don't really see the problem in Roger Langille's method:
    You find items on ebay that are selling, you find the same product on amazon, undercut them, list your item in a better way than they do, and drop ship from amazon. Where's the down side? If you can make $15-30-60 profit per items and sell a bunch of items, where is the down side?

    Can someone show me where it says Amazon or Ebay do not allow this, that it violates their TOS?

    I have not bought the training in question but I heard a webinar on it today and it makes sense to me. My *ONLY* reservation is that it may violate Amazon or Ebay's TOS but I have not seen any evidence of that yet. And for that matter, if it can make good money, why not start a new ebay and amazon account and use that, and if it gets closed, so be it, where is the great loss, especially if you can make $1000 or more a month until it does get closed - IF it does?

    The webinar I was on today, Roger Langille was selling a training package for $47 or so. It has a 30 day refund on it which should give one enough time to find out if it works or not, and if it violates Amazon or Ebay TOS. So where is the horrible scamming being done? If there is a big scam going on re THIS product (the training re drop shipping being done, that was offered for $47 via the webinar) I don't see it.

    Meanwhile others here have attested to the fact that drop shipping can work, and I don't see why it couldn't.
     
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    I bought his $47 training package, and it's not bad. It's all very common sense stuff. Nothing ground breaking. I have 22 items listed.. made 1 sale (about $3 profit) so far. I even called eBay to ask them a question about receiving my payment, and the lady had a good long look at my account, and didn't say a peep about my obvious dropshipping method. I say obvious, because my auctions have a disclaimer about inventory shortages being possible, etc. Then again, maybe she didn't look at my listings.

    Now I'm just rambling... but I'll keep you all updated on my progress with this method. I learned a lot already.
     
  15. jimmyjoebob

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    Thanks, Streamline. I do think that it is sleazy that he recommends using Prime to ship when it is clearly a violation of amazon prime tos (I looked it up and it's CLEARLY a violation!).
    However, that said, his training might be worth it.
    I'll be looking forward to your review after you've been at it a while longer!
    Did you open a new ebay account or use an old one?
    I would hate to risk my old one but I imagine a new one would not allow you to list a lot of stuff or it would be harder to get sales...
    Anyway thanks for the reply!
    Oh, and what about the shipping in a plain brown box thing? How is that accomplished?
     
  16. scallen37

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    Also, he advises operation with a super thin profit margin. If you find someone on Amazon that sells for $18.00 and then you sell it on eBay for $22.00 - you make 14 CENTS after fees. Not so bad if its a free 14 cents, right? Amazon and eBays market is slightly different in terms of pricing, but not THAT different. Maybe you can work for a couple dollars an hour, but I sure can't. If it takes me 4 minutes to process an order like this, thats 15 orders processed an hour, thats a whopping $2.10/hour. Lets not forget, after you have say $20,000 in gross sales (not your profit, the total) - you have to submit tax information to eBay if you are a U.S. Citizen and you are now paying taxes on that $2.10 an hour.

    Well, say you sell 20 of these things that cost 18.00, but you sell one to a bad customer and you have to refund them the full $22.00 and you are now in the negative.

    So in theory, if you want to make a "lot of money" with his method, you have to have $100,000 or more listed. I know this because on the WF, he quickly names off a couple eBay user names with $100,000 listed, and thats something he is "proud of."

    When I had $70,000 in sales, eBay hassled me for a lot of information and its Very common place. I expect it whenever I reach that amount and thats when I discovered they weren't very fond of dropshipping and I quote "We do not allow sellers to use 3rd party distributors." and I responded with "I have 90% of my inventory on hand, 10% comes from another company" and their response was "That is alright for now, but we don't recommend having another company ship your items out to eBay buyers because there is a long history of companies who send out items late or not at all, and it makes the eBay seller a high risk." - In the past, I have said "Yes, I dropship" and their response was "Oh, okay! Unfortunately we are not comfortable with your sales so we are going to choose to discontinue allowing you to sell on eBay. Thank you! *hangs up the phone* - an hour later, I get the ol MC999 notice saying I have been restricted from selling. Some people get through the cracks, and I've figured out through trial and error what to say. Many of the people Langile listed, were long term members that likely had pre-existing eBay businesses and then adopted his methods and incorporated them into their currently running eBay businesses. They were already established. For every person that might come to this thread and say "Oh man, I havent had any issues!" I can find 1000 counts of people who HAVE had issues specifically with not be able to sell on eBay and the core issue was dropshipping. The problem is, a bunch of dreamers, like the ones Roger targets, get all hyped up about the idea of listing a quarter of a million dollars in items at not cost to themselves (other than listing fees) that support the entire idea of it that they will say "Oh man, it works!" not even have tested it themselves and those people will Not come back online and admit they were wrong when they list up a bunch of items, lose a couple hundred dollars and hours of their time and say "well, I was wrong!" - they just disappear.
     
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    Scallen, you and others make some interesting points and I'm leaning towards believing this is not a good way to go (dropshipping via ebay) but at the same time, I have further questions about this.

    1) you state that Langille recommends selling at a super thin profit margin. First of all that is not what he said on the webinar I attended; he said in the advanced training he would teach you how to find items with bigger profit margins. I think if he indeed is teaching selling with a low profit margin, then yeah, that would not make much money, even risk losing money. So what's up with that? You're saying he actually teaches "sell with a super thin profit margin"??!

    2) Regardless of what Langille says about the profit margin, it just makes common sense that if you were going to do this you'd want to find items that sell with a good profit margin. I seem to recall in Langille's webinar that he talked about items with $30-40 even $60 profit margins. So if one can find and sell those kinds of items on ebay then that would probably be worthwhile.

    I think these are false assumptions that you made in a previous post about people who are attracted to Langille's system:

    "1) You are new to eCommerce
    2) You currently do not have a lot of money.
    3) You don't like to do hard work or like taking risks."

    I am not new to ecommerce, have plenty of money, and work hard and am willing to take risks. Yet I still look am willing to research an idea someone promotes that makes money without hard work or risks or investments. Admittedly I am skeptical about them which is why I came to a thread like this. However, that said, I also found a lot of b.s. about Roger Langille on the net, stuff that consists of flimsy accusations, competitors trying to say "he's bad, I'm good!", and outright lies - such as one on the Warrior Forum that said Lanqille does not put his name up at the webinar, which was absolutely untrue at the webinar I participated in. There were several other lies about Langille that I found.

    So all this leads me to believe that while Langille has a mixed reputation, I still haven't seen anyone prove they lost money, didn't get a refund when they asked for it, and on the contrary I have found a few people claiming to make money with this method of dropshipping via ebay.

    I have so far not found anyone, though, who claims to be making very much money; so that makes me lean towards not wanting to invest my time in it. And I'm about convinced that it would be hard to find items that sell high and dropship low,and that's really the crux of the matter. If it were not to difficult to do so, then yeah, this could be a really good system.
     
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    I'm curious, if anyone has the training videos please kindly upload to mediafire...:ranger:
     
  19. knowledgeblast

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    The problem with Roger Langille is that he outlines this method of dropshipping from Amazon to Ebay. Yes, the profit margins are quite thin and non existant in many cases. The example that he gives in his webinar of the cast iron skillet, you can list this item and it will sell but the profit margin is going to be quite small from amaz to E*ay.

    Secondly, no matter what you believe regarding his methods. I don't like his tactics. Dangling one-on-one personal training to teach you how to make $x,xxx's pre mo.

    Oh, but wait, you want his personal touch? First, you must join his latest MLM and once you do he will not be there to train you. You will be left on your own to figure it out for yourself. His MLM cost to join a whopping $500 plus you must keep buying.

    It is a sham at best. His method has many holes that you will have to learn to plug on your own but if you doubt us in this thread by all means, give it a shot and come back here and share your experience.

    My goal here is just to let everyone know what is behind the Roger Langille smoke and mirrors.

    To your success
     
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    Appreciate the response. So far I am avoiding signing up, but am still researching/investigating. Not spending too much time on it, just reading threads like this that I'm subscribed to.