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RIAA + Your ISP = death of piracy July 1st 2012!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Tensegrity, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Tensegrity

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    thats just for the US right?
     
  3. Tensegrity

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    For now...
     
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    Fuck censorship.... I sometimes wish to start a botnet and DDoS the shit out of these corporations. Especially because cyber laws are shit in my country so it won't be much of a problem.
    Go Anonymous!

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    This is ridiculous. Forget comcast and other top players go for small ISPs.

    VPN or any kind of encryption will not work as bandwidth usage will become a key. So running IM tools at home can land you in trouble. one should use vps or should go for a lenient and small sized ISP
     
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    Your options are 1 or more of the following:

    1) Switch ISPs to one that's less draconian.

    2) Get a VPS/Dedi to run your blackhat scanning/spamming/tools from.

    3) Use a VPN from home. (Full encryption of the TCP/IP packets including IP destination and source/dest ports. Bandwidth usage is irrelevant. They can't prosecute you for using your bandwidth, lol. Besides, most people are using a lot of bandwidth on sites like youtube so that's nothing at all to be concerned about)

    4) Get a seedbox for downloading your torrents then download your pirated stuff over https, ftps or sftp. ftps = ftp over ssl and sftp = SSH file transfer protocol, ie secure copy(scp, aka pscp with putty)

    Option 3 is THE most secure and your ISP will be able to see *nothing* except encrypted traffic. They won't know where it's going or what it contains.

    The cons of option 3 are you'll have to spend a bit more to get a fast VPN server with plenty of bandwidth. You could also setup your own VPN on a VPS or dedicated server plan that gives you unlimited bandwidth.

    Option 2 is something you should be doing anyway. I don't run *any* of my business operations from my home computer, it's all done from servers.
     
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  7. BlueTurtle

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    Nope, don't panic. Bandwidth usage is completely irrelevant. How could they possibly prosecute people for using too much bandwidth?

    "Here, have a 20MB line, but if you use more than 10% of it we'll assume you're doing something illegal and prosecute you."

    rofl. :)

    Most people are using bandwidth legitimately. It's physically not possible to prosecute someone for copyright infringement based on bandwidth usage.

    They would be prosecuting the vast majority of their customers without any evidence and they would become dead in the water if they started limiting bandwidth as no one would be able to do anything anymore. No online games, no youtube, no video sites whatsoever.
     
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    The ISPs can run a deep packet inspection on a those customers who regularly use high bandwidth. Mapping of that inspection with copyrighted files can nail you. However it is not possible for them to do it for something like a WSO download, but then can very well do it for movies, music, top end software and similar things.

    When I was a newbie, I used xrumer on my PC. and by the third week of the month, got a call from comcast saying that I have used 900 gb bandwidth and my account might be terminated on a repeat offence. (The offence was to go over 250 gb of download). Their reasoning was people using internet for conventional things can never cross 100 gb of bandwidth.
     
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    They can't do any sort of "deep packet inspection". EVERYTHING is encrypted over a VPN, that includes the entire TCP/IP header. All they can see is that you're sending encrypted data to a server. That's it, nothing else.


    The issue of going over your bandwidth limit is completely irrelevant and a separate issue entirely. This also has nothing to do with xrumer, it's about identifying people download copyright materials. They simply can't do that over a VPN no matter what. Bandwidth can't help them. How do they know if you've downloaded a movie or a youtube video?


     
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    You forgot 1 option...

    Pay for the service, but Hide from your ISP with your own modem with Haxorware on it :)
     
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    If i understand this correctly the point is they are going to try and say if you are using a certain amount of bandwith you are doing something wrong withought any evidence of what you were doing.

    Obviously they can and already do that all the time. Most companies in the US throttle your bandwith already if they think your using to much.I have no Idea how this can be legal. I pay for a 12 MB connection but if I use to much that is somehow a problem.

    I hope someone on hear knows a way around showing how much bandwith you are using to get around this. A VPS is fine for incription and all but I still have to use bandwith to get to the files. The problem is not encryption its bandwith.
     
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    1. this is not censorship, censorship would mean I couldn't make my own ebook and upload it without getting in trouble. Or anything similar to that.
    2. This may actually be good for us in a way, as we will be forced to work more to actually pay for movies and songs. If you can get so much for free,and its so easy to get then you won't need to work as much.
    3. The ISP"s are legally and civilly liable for the actions of their consumers.

    If you have bandwidth problems with your ISP, you can get a business account,their much more lenient with that when it comes to using a large amount of bandwidth
     
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    No, no, the problem is not bandwidth. Someone on this thread just arbitrarily said they prosecute you for piracy based on bandwidth usage.

    I will say it one more time, so please everyone listen carefully.

    Bandwidth has NOTHING to do with this issue at all. No ISP can prosecute you for piracy based on bandwidth usage. *EVERYONE* is using large amounts of bandwidth on the Internet in 2012 through sites like youtube. You will not stand out by downloading movies over a VPN. It is practically and physically impossible for them to determine what you're doing behind an encrypted VPN using only bandwidth.

    A VPN solves *ALL* problems. *ALL*.
     
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    It think you are missing the bandwith point. People pay for a service like a 12 MB connection for a certain price. That means people pay for a connection at a certain speed. For my home connection there is no bandwith limit, I did not purchase and sign a contract for a certain ammount of bandwith I paid and signed a contract for a certain connection speed with Unlimited Bandwith (I.E. as much bandwith as I can use at the speed I pay for). I should be allowed to use as much bandwith as my speed allows for the whole month I pay for and not be throttled or accused of being a criminal.

    How can anyone justify treating people like they are doing something wrong for using what they pay for to the fullest.
     
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    What are you on about? Why are you clinging onto this whole bandwidth/criminal crap. It's got nothing to do with anything!! It's just some misinformation someone above that doesn't understand networking said.

    There's NO plans to criminalize using more bandwidth than is in your terms, lol.

    Also, you're not paying for absolute unlimited bandwidth. You're paying for unlimited within reason.

    If you want real unlimited bandwidth you'll have to get a leased line. A 12 meg leased line will cost you anything from $800 to $10k/mo depending on how close you live to the provider's Point of Presence.
     
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    VPN does not solve all problems. I don't recall seeing anything in the OP link about prosecution. The article was about ISP's throttling or shutting off your internet connection because of your bandwith usage.

    I have had my connection turned off 5 times from using torrents. No big deal, but they told me if it happens again it will take a bunch of BS to get it turned back on again.No prosecution, my ISP is apparently the police. I was told that the uploading is tracked from my cable modem by them.

    Problem solved, I started only downloading from my aircards with no problems and when I wanted some big files fast I used sites like Mega Upload where it is perfectly legal to download anything you want because you are not breaking the law by uploading and sharing protected material.

    Now appearently if I use my connection to its fullest I am considered a criminal by my ISP (Not the police).

    A VPN does not solve that problem at all.
     
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    This is so fuckin' hilarious. I'm going to put a bluray movie of my daughters school play on a server. I'm going to download it continuously until they take action. Then we're going to court based on false claims.
     
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    might i suggest using burst.net windows vps for running IM tools (with the exception of xrumer and SB). I mean from BMD, AMR and senuke i can run anything. Also i can scrape using proxies but posting is where the problem occurs. Xrumer or scrapebox even with proxies got me into trouble because of some stupid honeypot thing. And it's cheap like shit.
     
  19. Briansstocks

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    This is exactly my point.
     
  20. StartupBros

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    Anybody who thinks bandwidth has nothing to do with this is missing the point of it entirely. The goal is tiered pricing based on bandwidth usage, dont forget. This is just a tip-toe towards that, under the guise of "protecting intellectual property!"