(Resolved) @arpito Scamed me
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I think this should explain a lot !
Mods you guys can check that im not using a SECOND USER on BHW this is my only user !
You can check all my IP's if i ever logged in from a same ip of any user of BHW you can directly BANN ME !
But im confused how ARPITO will explain this that he accussed someone else aswell as "LEX" aint this telling a lot of things for you guys Moderators ?
Im waiting the final decission from you guys literally this should be it...
Arpito
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I talked with the Lex account , I told that, yes! Also I have records of it! So , what now I’m not understanding is why you kept 2 accounts? You are the same guy with 2 different accounts!
You tried to get me banned before and now you are trying the same , this are not fake proofs , is weird that you have no record of our TG conversation and I have a record of another person. That you are saying is not you!
How is this?
- May 20, 2016
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@Arpito, I have gone through your evidence, drain001's evidence and the additional information @BNB presented.
It looks like you may be mixing up the details for drain001 with the other member from this dispute: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/resolved-arkita-v-arpito.1624398/
They appear to message you from the username Lex and "@kitarita2" sounds a lot like "arkita", doesn't it? That member also reportedly sent you the same amount of money, so that may be adding to the confusion here.
Drain001 has messaged me with screenshots that show they have a different telegram username. I cannot verify the telegram account they reportedly contacted you from because it appears to be private, but I was able to track down the usernames of the accounts tied to it based on their screenshot. Their telegram username is similar to their BHW username.
Also, @Drain001, if you had waited just a few minutes before bumping this thread, you would have seen the post that I am writing right now. Please practice a little more patience.
It looks like you may be mixing up the details for drain001 with the other member from this dispute: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/resolved-arkita-v-arpito.1624398/
They appear to message you from the username Lex and "@kitarita2" sounds a lot like "arkita", doesn't it? That member also reportedly sent you the same amount of money, so that may be adding to the confusion here.
Drain001 has messaged me with screenshots that show they have a different telegram username. I cannot verify the telegram account they reportedly contacted you from because it appears to be private, but I was able to track down the usernames of the accounts tied to it based on their screenshot. Their telegram username is similar to their BHW username.
Also, @Drain001, if you had waited just a few minutes before bumping this thread, you would have seen the post that I am writing right now. Please practice a little more patience.
Arpito
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I may be confusing the details, but my bot can't be wrong. The user of the 1st dispute according to him bought another product (a clone bot) and the price was $400, so how did my bot register the purchase of another product for $700 (AWS SES) but with the same name of another person? I don't think it's possible to do that. Besides the fact that the other person didn't buy anything from me either, my bot was never that one. That's why I now have a demo in my store, everything has been failures from those I've learned.
Coincidentally this user did pay, and received his product and still denies having received it.
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I'm afraid that I can't accept your video or screenshots of the purchase as evidence because it can't be connected to the buyer.
I'd recommend you look to see if there is another purchase record from this member. If there really isn't another record that you can find, then you will need to find proof that this purchase is definitely tied to the buyer Drain001.
I'll give you some more time to look for this. If you are unable to find either of the types of evidence I've requested, then the dispute will unfortunately be ruled against you.
If the dispute is ruled against you, then we will proceed to the next stage. You will be required to provide the service Drain001 purchased free of charge.
Arpito
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It is impossible that I can find another purchase record man , because my bot was disconnected months ago, I remembered having that transaction because it was one of the last I had through my local store. What great helplessness I have!
I don't even have records of your conversation, not even of your telegram user to base myself on another search. It's amazing that this is happening after 3 months, not even the warranty period lasts that long.
Why don't they tell him that if he really talked to me, my contact, my name or something he must remember as I remember Lex, why don't they ask him to write to me? If we really talk, my account must be in some history or something.
@Impulse, this is wrong!
The guy who accuses me is not the same guy I talked to, he doesn't even have records of anything only of the conversation here, and it's just the same as I have. It is unfair that he say that I scammed him with only the evidence he has but more unfair is not to admit in my favour that this has a false story and very badly told but very well prepared.
Violating dispute rules by turning it around on the mod
@Impulse Im practicing the patience the thing is that is confusing me so much:
1.How you guys cant take the PROOFS & EVIDENCES that i sent as PROOFS and EVIDENCES
2.How you guys cant decide that this guy scammed me and accusing me im being "LEX" "Kitarita" in few posts he literally provided 0000 PROOFS ..
3.How you leave this guy to tell to me and to you as well that im providing here a false story like how for real im so freaking confused
Im making a false story my proofs and evidences not worth to proof that this guy S&AMMED me and pretty sure he will do it again when he will have a chance how u guys cant verify that this guy accused me with another account "LEX" "KITARITA" and said i paid 700$ from that user and told to u moderators that i received the product while i never received it and you guys still letting this guy discuss in here without 0 Proofs 0 Facts 0 Evidences.
He is keepin speechs here for no reason like no proofs at all what kind of proofs u want when a man changed his username to a channel and he asks me to bring proofs while i brought tone of proofs is so simple guys like so so simple if he would sent me the product he would dm-ed me at least in BHW where i accused him for S&AMMER he never ever replied to me cz he knew he didnt sent the product ....
I literally dont have what to discuss i just cant believe how the mods are treating this case and this dude
Can you guys see he is tryin the best with FAKE EVIDENCES tryin to spit FAKE FACTS just with letters i dont really know what to talk anymore for real.
He just manipulated a situation and moderators can proof that so easy and so quick he even said i have 2 BHW Accounts like what !
He will not stop accusing me with wrong things and will try to manipulate situation until u stop this post and until decide about this post ....
Even tho he tellin to everyone in here that im writing here fake store well prepared idk if this guy serious he really thinks i have time to deal with this case and to plan things all day long for this case he will keep this speechs with 0 proofs or fake proofs ( AS HE TRIED TO DO IT) until u stop it and i hope it will happened faster possible.
Thanks everyone for their time and i really appreciate it but please remember you should give priority to the ones who sends facts evidences and proofs not the ones who manipulate and fake every single situation !..
The Best to Alll !..
1.How you guys cant take the PROOFS & EVIDENCES that i sent as PROOFS and EVIDENCES
2.How you guys cant decide that this guy scammed me and accusing me im being "LEX" "Kitarita" in few posts he literally provided 0000 PROOFS ..
3.How you leave this guy to tell to me and to you as well that im providing here a false story like how for real im so freaking confused
Im making a false story my proofs and evidences not worth to proof that this guy S&AMMED me and pretty sure he will do it again when he will have a chance how u guys cant verify that this guy accused me with another account "LEX" "KITARITA" and said i paid 700$ from that user and told to u moderators that i received the product while i never received it and you guys still letting this guy discuss in here without 0 Proofs 0 Facts 0 Evidences.
He is keepin speechs here for no reason like no proofs at all what kind of proofs u want when a man changed his username to a channel and he asks me to bring proofs while i brought tone of proofs is so simple guys like so so simple if he would sent me the product he would dm-ed me at least in BHW where i accused him for S&AMMER he never ever replied to me cz he knew he didnt sent the product ....
I literally dont have what to discuss i just cant believe how the mods are treating this case and this dude
Can you guys see he is tryin the best with FAKE EVIDENCES tryin to spit FAKE FACTS just with letters i dont really know what to talk anymore for real.
He just manipulated a situation and moderators can proof that so easy and so quick he even said i have 2 BHW Accounts like what !
He will not stop accusing me with wrong things and will try to manipulate situation until u stop this post and until decide about this post ....
Even tho he tellin to everyone in here that im writing here fake store well prepared idk if this guy serious he really thinks i have time to deal with this case and to plan things all day long for this case he will keep this speechs with 0 proofs or fake proofs ( AS HE TRIED TO DO IT) until u stop it and i hope it will happened faster possible.
Thanks everyone for their time and i really appreciate it but please remember you should give priority to the ones who sends facts evidences and proofs not the ones who manipulate and fake every single situation !..
The Best to Alll !..
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I'm still waiting for the evidence that was requested. Either respond with that or we move on to the next stage of the dispute.
....Are you joking? Are you reading anything I write? What part of what I have written makes you think your evidence hasn't been accepted?
I am done with this. If you imply we are allowing scammers on the forum one more time just because we are trying to conduct a fair investigation, you will be banned. This will not be tolerated any further.
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Bro you are AGAIN turning this around on the mod who is trying to sort this out. Issuing a warning for this. Says not to do this in the rules but I can see you're allergic to reading.
No im not allergic in reading im not allergic on anything i just provided everything what i got !
Me my self catched this guy cheating and tryin to manipulate with that LEX thing so why im gonna get banned for what reason ?!
Because im speaking the truth ?
So where is the reason to not bann this guy Arpito just give me one reason please.
What he provided what he sent what kind of proofs evidences facts he sent?!
I tried to give everyone a good treatment if i made any mistake im really sorry specially to moderators didnt wanted to say anything bad to any one of you guys im just getting confused why we still keep this thread up and im really sorry if im trying to get involved in moderators work but i dont mean it im just "CONFUSED"
Again sorry moderators i appreciate ur job i swear but im frustrated aswell i have been waitin this moment for 3months and I dont have anything to add in here cz i dont have what to add in here every single answer and question that Arpito can try to add in here u will be able to find the answer on other Posts that i made on this thread !
This guy Arpito will try to add a lot of FAKE things in here also cant u see he is playin the victim in here!..
Im sorry Moderators Wish you the best !
Me my self catched this guy cheating and tryin to manipulate with that LEX thing so why im gonna get banned for what reason ?!
Because im speaking the truth ?
So where is the reason to not bann this guy Arpito just give me one reason please.
What he provided what he sent what kind of proofs evidences facts he sent?!
I tried to give everyone a good treatment if i made any mistake im really sorry specially to moderators didnt wanted to say anything bad to any one of you guys im just getting confused why we still keep this thread up and im really sorry if im trying to get involved in moderators work but i dont mean it im just "CONFUSED"
Again sorry moderators i appreciate ur job i swear but im frustrated aswell i have been waitin this moment for 3months and I dont have anything to add in here cz i dont have what to add in here every single answer and question that Arpito can try to add in here u will be able to find the answer on other Posts that i made on this thread !
This guy Arpito will try to add a lot of FAKE things in here also cant u see he is playin the victim in here!..
Im sorry Moderators Wish you the best !
Hey @Drain001 I would like to help you understand what's going on around here.
First thing first, you made a mistake for sending a ticket to support instead of writing this dispute right away.
When you open dispute, the whole community and guests who are just lurkers can see what happened to you.
You simply didn't follow the rules, and used the wrong BHW department to solve your issue.
There was not enough of an effort given by your side to finish this when it was needed.
Second, you are 3 months late with the dispute, that's a red flag right away.
You can't just come here and demand something because you have some proofs. Go try that anywhere, it takes time.
Did you knew that this 'service' is free? You don't pay MOD here to do this work for you.
They have families, weekends, and they still use their time to review your dispute over and over again under 24 hours.
Therefore you have to understand that these people are here to help you and they are very skilled at what they do.
Third, every member, especially the one under dispute is super monitored. There is literally no room for ongoing scamming or selling.
Nothing goes under the radar, and all that work behind the scenes is free work, done by the MODS who serve you.
Stop for a moment to appreciate that.
Every single BHW member should only use BHW DM in order to BUY/TRADE on this platform. Stay safe, and never use TG again.
If some serious legit seller is willing to close the deal, BHW DM is fast enough!
Finally, you did not put enough effort to finish this when it was needed, 3 months ago.
That move caused all the frustration, plus you had lack of empathy for the community.
From when scammers should be banned via support tickets? They can operate on over 10 forums under the same name.
People can google the username and find what was done to someone else, that's what I mean when I say empathy.
(preventing additional mass scam)
Let me assure you in something. Justice is always served.
The same will happen in this thread. Like it was already suggested, practice some patience, because you are unaware of every single detail that's happening here, nor i am, or any other member. Let people to do their work, like is the case everywhere else.
Calm down, cooperate with MOD commands, and you will have the best treatment.
I now had to post this, as it perhaps could be useful to some other members who find this later.
Nothing against Arpito personally, but hey man, you do the same. If you are honest in this situation, just follow MOD commands.
We all make mistakes in our businesses, and there is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is not accepting it.
Even if you delivered this item, and you lost the record, lesson is learned. You will never again be without your records.
Cheers.
First thing first, you made a mistake for sending a ticket to support instead of writing this dispute right away.
When you open dispute, the whole community and guests who are just lurkers can see what happened to you.
You simply didn't follow the rules, and used the wrong BHW department to solve your issue.
There was not enough of an effort given by your side to finish this when it was needed.
Second, you are 3 months late with the dispute, that's a red flag right away.
You can't just come here and demand something because you have some proofs. Go try that anywhere, it takes time.
Did you knew that this 'service' is free? You don't pay MOD here to do this work for you.
They have families, weekends, and they still use their time to review your dispute over and over again under 24 hours.
Therefore you have to understand that these people are here to help you and they are very skilled at what they do.
Third, every member, especially the one under dispute is super monitored. There is literally no room for ongoing scamming or selling.
Nothing goes under the radar, and all that work behind the scenes is free work, done by the MODS who serve you.
Stop for a moment to appreciate that.
Every single BHW member should only use BHW DM in order to BUY/TRADE on this platform. Stay safe, and never use TG again.
If some serious legit seller is willing to close the deal, BHW DM is fast enough!
Finally, you did not put enough effort to finish this when it was needed, 3 months ago.
That move caused all the frustration, plus you had lack of empathy for the community.
From when scammers should be banned via support tickets? They can operate on over 10 forums under the same name.
People can google the username and find what was done to someone else, that's what I mean when I say empathy.
(preventing additional mass scam)
Let me assure you in something. Justice is always served.
The same will happen in this thread. Like it was already suggested, practice some patience, because you are unaware of every single detail that's happening here, nor i am, or any other member. Let people to do their work, like is the case everywhere else.
Calm down, cooperate with MOD commands, and you will have the best treatment.
I now had to post this, as it perhaps could be useful to some other members who find this later.
Nothing against Arpito personally, but hey man, you do the same. If you are honest in this situation, just follow MOD commands.
We all make mistakes in our businesses, and there is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is not accepting it.
Even if you delivered this item, and you lost the record, lesson is learned. You will never again be without your records.
Cheers.
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Dude, you need to chill.
Managing a dispute resolution thread is not easy so please just post facts and leave the emotions out of it.
In fact, I've spoken with @Impulse about this thread and it is sucking the life out of them with all the non-business related stuff.
Any further posts that are emotional and not factual will result in a ban and I'm pretty good at hitting the ban button so dial it back, chill out some and go hang out at the pool with an umbrella drink.
Oh yeah, don't ask a staff member why someone is not banned in a DR thread as that is nothing more than emotions and, as I said, a DR thread takes a fair amount of work to help serve the community.
Rome was not built in a day, and resolving a DR is a bit like Rome.
Arpito
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@Impulse ,
I don't have any more proof. All my evidence was published, all the information I have is there.
It's impossible to have conversation data with an account I didn't talk to.
I don't know what kind of trick these people are using, but the first dispute the user was cloned, so that conversation was not me, but if I have the purchase of the user who talked to me, which coincidentally is the same as another dispute, now this dispute is just the same but with another user and another objective.
I know that I am not the only one who has noticed the type of dispute and that it is much more than what you see, this here has many things that do not count and for convenience they use screenshots where they only show a payment, I don't even have a conversation with anyone else.
My telegram user the only way to contact me is if you have been my client before because otherwise I do not write to you directly, that's how I tried the first dispute, and if before it was like that, well now I have been much stricter.
This is a game for someone behind a phone but for me it's my business, everyone has seen my growth within the community.
Honestly, I have no words.
Edit : @Impulse , please I need to share something. If this is not the same person , then there are a team or something against me , hate , competitors I don’t know , most of premium & newbies members want me banned. Please can I send you in PM?
I don't have any more proof. All my evidence was published, all the information I have is there.
It's impossible to have conversation data with an account I didn't talk to.
I don't know what kind of trick these people are using, but the first dispute the user was cloned, so that conversation was not me, but if I have the purchase of the user who talked to me, which coincidentally is the same as another dispute, now this dispute is just the same but with another user and another objective.
I know that I am not the only one who has noticed the type of dispute and that it is much more than what you see, this here has many things that do not count and for convenience they use screenshots where they only show a payment, I don't even have a conversation with anyone else.
My telegram user the only way to contact me is if you have been my client before because otherwise I do not write to you directly, that's how I tried the first dispute, and if before it was like that, well now I have been much stricter.
This is a game for someone behind a phone but for me it's my business, everyone has seen my growth within the community.
Honestly, I have no words.
Edit : @Impulse , please I need to share something. If this is not the same person , then there are a team or something against me , hate , competitors I don’t know , most of premium & newbies members want me banned. Please can I send you in PM?
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Appreciate for this message i take advices and i love to take them yeah sometimes is true my emotions affecting my words is not good!
I said i apologizes specially to @Impulse i hope he understands me for real !
But i dont wanna play the victim i hate it cuz i dont wanna act like the victim in here but the thing is I SWEAR ON GOD never ever received the product this is not my first or last time im getting s&ammed as i said i have posted all the proofs bro plus he tried to manipulate situation few times thats why u cant imagine how this affects my emotions like how people can still do this things plus they will even try to make u look like you are the bad one..
Loook what this guy arpito is tellin now a whole team or a whole group is against him imagine lmaao all the world now he thinks is against him do you see how is he playin the victim now and im sorry if i have bad behaviour i swear im tryin my best to not react bad and i hope moderators will understand my emotions ..
Also i posted every evidence and proof that i had i wont try to Create things in my mind just to post them here i wouldnt do that never ever !
About that 3 Months thing please check it when i opened BHW i didnt even knew how things was goin here i tried my best to follow every single rule and i tried to make report thru support cz i didnt had any idea about it i even dm-ed this guy Arpito 3 weeks after deal and i sended proofs where he saw the messages but he never responded like WHY ? I accused him there as a S&AMMER i accused him here in his dm-s as a S*AMMER and he never sent a single reply no where like no freaking where he changed his @BOTSBHW user to a channel so whats my fault in here ?
I provided every single proof and every single evidence in here @Impulse @BassTrackerBoats & every moderator who took their time to take care about this dispute i appreciate it and please forgive me for my bad emotions i understand u doin this job totally for free and you doin this just to put things on the right way but i hope you understand me just a lil bit really appreciate for your work
I WISH THE BEST OF THIS LIFE for you guys !
Also Bnb thank you for advices ill always love to take good advices appreciate it..
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@Arpito, the core issue here is that your business practices have not protected either yourself or the buyer, and it seems you're not keeping proper track of your orders. While you may not have thought it was necessary, this is exactly why such processes exist - to avoid misunderstandings and disputes. I really hope you can learn from this experience. You can't use unclear or questionable business practices (such as primarily using a platform where either party can delete the entire conversation without notice) whilst expecting to be protected by a forum that is trying to be transparent and fair. I understand your service involves a Telegram bot, but you can still manage things more effectively.
In this case, you haven't been able to provide enough evidence that you delivered the service to the buyer, so I am going to ask that you provide the service free of charge to resolve this dispute. Moving forward, I strongly recommend that you keep thorough records of your transactions so you're better protected when issues arise. I truly believe you could be a successful seller on this platform if you were to implement these practices.
@Drain001 I understand that you are frustrated - you are not the first accuser to respond to a dispute emotionally. It's a difficult experience to be in, but we really can't just ban someone at a whim. Please trust that we are doing what we can. You may feel that arpito is 'manipulating' the situation because they posted screenshots of a purchase made by a different user, but you should consider that this can also just be down to human error. It's not always a cold, calculating scammer trying to manipulate everyone. It's usually just poor business practices.
Furthermore, these issues with Telegram are getting out of hand. Sellers and buyers who are choosing to use such platforms to conduct business transactions are taking a massive risk, and it's challenging for us to intervene when communication can be erased at the whim of either party.
We're currently looking into this further and discussing what changes or clarifications we could make to our dispute rules.
In this case, you haven't been able to provide enough evidence that you delivered the service to the buyer, so I am going to ask that you provide the service free of charge to resolve this dispute. Moving forward, I strongly recommend that you keep thorough records of your transactions so you're better protected when issues arise. I truly believe you could be a successful seller on this platform if you were to implement these practices.
@Drain001 I understand that you are frustrated - you are not the first accuser to respond to a dispute emotionally. It's a difficult experience to be in, but we really can't just ban someone at a whim. Please trust that we are doing what we can. You may feel that arpito is 'manipulating' the situation because they posted screenshots of a purchase made by a different user, but you should consider that this can also just be down to human error. It's not always a cold, calculating scammer trying to manipulate everyone. It's usually just poor business practices.
Furthermore, these issues with Telegram are getting out of hand. Sellers and buyers who are choosing to use such platforms to conduct business transactions are taking a massive risk, and it's challenging for us to intervene when communication can be erased at the whim of either party.
We're currently looking into this further and discussing what changes or clarifications we could make to our dispute rules.
Arpito
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@Impulse ,
The bro who gave me the accounts to resell them just wrote to me to ask me about the records, I don't have them and neither did he because he sent me the accounts directly.
But he does have account records, I was waiting to know if he could give me details of the account he sent me, just the same day that the user received it, in my database I had no date data, so my test was not valid but everything has to be explained and thanks to the help of a client I was also able to add my bot to register all the data, so the data can be verified by the same administrators.
The user of the Lex account was talking to a clone user, since that was not even my account, but it was a bot, which I used for conversations I answered messages through him to protect my account that's why he didn't use my real name, because he doesn't know it. In this business the account was delivered to the same Lex user but this time it was with another account in the forum, as there is no telegram contact where I sent him how to contact me then now it is clear that it was the same Lex account, otherwise how did he know what my telegram was? I simply use a multi-account in the forum, This is the same strategy that was used before, for the first "scum".
If my telegram is public then anyone should be able to find me just like they did, right? My username is maintained and is the same, for that the records can be checked.
There is no way he could contact me without first knowing my username, this is the same thing I say to all my clients, if you are my client you have to have my contact in telegram. That's how it works. So how did he know my user? That is to say that with one account I try to do something and from another account it tries to do it again, it's the same strategy can't you see it?
The bro who gave me the accounts to resell them just wrote to me to ask me about the records, I don't have them and neither did he because he sent me the accounts directly.
But he does have account records, I was waiting to know if he could give me details of the account he sent me, just the same day that the user received it, in my database I had no date data, so my test was not valid but everything has to be explained and thanks to the help of a client I was also able to add my bot to register all the data, so the data can be verified by the same administrators.
The user of the Lex account was talking to a clone user, since that was not even my account, but it was a bot, which I used for conversations I answered messages through him to protect my account that's why he didn't use my real name, because he doesn't know it. In this business the account was delivered to the same Lex user but this time it was with another account in the forum, as there is no telegram contact where I sent him how to contact me then now it is clear that it was the same Lex account, otherwise how did he know what my telegram was? I simply use a multi-account in the forum, This is the same strategy that was used before, for the first "scum".
If my telegram is public then anyone should be able to find me just like they did, right? My username is maintained and is the same, for that the records can be checked.
There is no way he could contact me without first knowing my username, this is the same thing I say to all my clients, if you are my client you have to have my contact in telegram. That's how it works. So how did he know my user? That is to say that with one account I try to do something and from another account it tries to do it again, it's the same strategy can't you see it?
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Reselling - not a proper way to offer in the internet marketing world.
Also, not allowed on this forum as a straight resell.
Arpito
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I Used the term resell because it is a common phrase, so that you could understand me, but I use it only because I was not the one who created the accounts, but I was not reselling services from websites or third party sites. I worked with the person who had the accounts, he maintained the accounts and I maintained the website, that's why he told me about his records, to see if he had something that could help me, I hope so.
It's good to have clarified this to avoid problems.
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