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Recovered from Panda - Q&A Session

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aznxmtg, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. aznxmtg

    aznxmtg Regular Member

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    You can read my previous story thread here:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...elp-not-ranking-most-my-keywords-anymore.html

    Basically my site use to get 5,000 UV daily went to 1,500 and slowly dropping to 800 UV daily. At higher levels, most of my traffic comes from Google. Basically I lost 80%-90% of my Google traffic after getting hit. On Oct 1, my website has recovered. It took about 3 months and a few days (basically the period between the 2 big Panda updates).

    Now I have more traffic compared to before. One reason is I improved my website highly to fight off those panda factors. I added more content. It is all paying off right now after the "panda penalty" is lifted. Since today is my first day of recovery, I estimate about 7,000 UV today (not all from Google once again).

    I did a lot of things to my website in order to get back traffic. I wouldn't be able to list them.

    Here are the most important things I noticed for a pandalized site:

    • You will not rank for new terms even if you make new pages for it. No matter how many quality backlinks you build on it.
    • Subdomain seems to work, but they are not valued the same as your root domain. Not worth the effort.
    • If you are ranking for a term say "dog" even after the panda hits, you can improve the ranking only for such terms. The only way to do this is HIGH QUALITY backlinks. When I say high quality, I mean the highest quality possible (correlated to high PR).
    My website is an authority site hence it was possible for a recovery. If your website is really blackhat, by all means it is not possible to recover like I did. You want to focus on your readers, provide content for them not for the search engine.

    I didn't receive help specially from this community, but I did a lot of reading to improve my site. I can't tell you everything I did in a list (as it wouldn't be fair for me or others), but I will answer all your questions.

    Feel free to post. I'm very happy today.
     
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  2. ExecutiveCloser

    ExecutiveCloser Regular Member

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    lol @ pandalized

    I am confused though, why would you NOT be able to rank for new keywords? Even new sites can rank for new keywords so why would an old be worse?
     
  3. aznxmtg

    aznxmtg Regular Member

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    I think I should only take questions from people with websites that got hit by Panda.

    Panda is like a weight, that drags your site down. But it is different from a -50 penalty as it can't affect terms that you already have quality backlinks to.

    I would also like to make another point. I seems to be mentioning high quality links a lot, but that is NOT the most important factor. The must important factor is your actual website.
     
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  4. Getwhatchuwant

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    So you cannot list what you did to recover but what you can tell is to put good content and get good contextual backlinks from high PR sites? Isnt that what google already tells us?

    i.e. Make a good site and be so good that other sites in your niche link to you.

    Am I missing something?
     
  5. aznxmtg

    aznxmtg Regular Member

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    I did probably almost a hundred of things, but I can't remember all of it. Why would I spoon feed everybody a list of things? SEO is all about asking questions, reading, testing, etc.

    Google doesn't give details, I do. Since it is personal experience it is much more valuable.
     
  6. imserious

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    Ok,

    Just to add to the discussion, my site has also recovered from the panda update along with a competitor site. Here is what i did:

    1. Nothing in terms of on page SEO. No new content added, no content modified, no affiliate links removed or added.
    2.Blasted the hell out of scrapebox, probably over 5,00,000 AA links blasted though Yahoo shows only 33K ( increasing steadily ).
    The site initially has around 100 so called high quality links.

    One of the biggest beneficiaries of these stupid Google changes have been the social networking sites.
    Thanks to the panda, i started looking into the social networks for driving traffic and its far more easy and predictable.

    Moral of the story:

    1.Internet has grown so big that Google will all its processing power and algos is not able to give 100% accurate results.

    2. Start looking beyond google to drive heaps of traffic to your sites.
     
  7. nightshade787

    nightshade787 Junior Member

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    LOL. This goes against OP's theory.


    My traffic is down about 20%-30% with this update and I'll be doing more links as well.
     
  8. turbohacker

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    I think diversity plays a big role... no harm in blasting your site if you balance it out with some high quality backlinks too...
     
  9. WizIMS

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    Hey man

    I had the same thing , my traffic went from 4k uv/day down to ~500 uv/day (Google traffic)

    But few days ago , it jumoped again to ~4k uv/day and seems stable :)
     
  10. edgematch

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    OP,

    All your assumptions are really nearly wrong. You could get all your rankings earlier if you did not do anything. Read above post from @imserious and stop acting like a jerk and a FBI agent.:)
     
  11. cybie

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    Panda 2.5 was just released 2 days ago. That might just have been what pushed you up again and not really your efforts?
     
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    My website got a huge infestation of spiders on the 28th (coinciding with the new update)... then on teh 29th, 50% drop in traffic!.. today it seems to be back to normal.. although.. i have dropped ranks for my EMD keyword.. but gained 50 or so places in a competitive keyword(!) even though my blog is full of shit!
     
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    I don't really understand this Panda update. I survived Panda 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and then this Panda kills all my websites - 80-90% traffic drop.

    All my keywords dropped 1-2 pages and those that were in nr 1 dropped 8-9 positions or 3-4.
     
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    gwat_cruse Newbie

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    i am not sure your efforts have to do with your recovery..

    i´ve got ~ 80 "throw-away-adsense" websites that got badly hit by panda.

    i did nothing to these.... what should i tell you... they are all back now...
     
  15. aznxmtg

    aznxmtg Regular Member

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    They are many stories of people recovering without doing anything. If you take at look at the big technology website that got hit recently after they recovered.

    One reason I didn't make a list was because it was possible my efforts did nothing to make my website come back.

    This is a thread is made for Q&A about Panda where users with input - put their opinions and experiences.

    I don't think anyone can say they understand Panda, it could be all random and Google's way of screwing webmaster over for a few months then letting them come back. Who the fuck knows?
     
  16. aznxmtg

    aznxmtg Regular Member

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    Also it seems some people don't understand Panda.

    To recover from Panda, you need to wait for the update. Even if you make changes to your changes now, it wouldn't do anything until the next update hits. So between the 3 months period I had, the was the time frame I had to wait until the next big Panda update hit.

    Just making it clear.