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Real PBN Hosting That Will Take Us Out Of Shitty IPs

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by kcampbell648, Sep 13, 2014.

  1. kcampbell648

    kcampbell648 Newbie

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    I want to keep this thread focused on the topic of IP quality. Let's not make this about a million theories about why blog network sites are getting deindexed now more than ever- because I know everyone is eager to share their completely unproven expertise on knowing Google's exact algorithm.


    One thing I have factually seen is that getting a PBN deindexed has almost EVERYTHING to do with the IP it is on.


    For example, I had 8 sites on an SEO hosting service and every single one of them got deindexed- blatantly obvious that it was because of the hosting. Everyone has been saying that SEO hosting services are pure shit so obviously that is nothing new.


    I hosted another 100 sites on cheap individual web hosts.


    I have had about half of them deindexed, and HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE TIME:


    One site gets deindexed. Two weeks later, another site on that same host gets deindexed. A week later, the third site I had on that same host gets deindexed. (timespan made just for example- and I have 3 networks so these are not linking to the same money site- proving that they are concentrating their deindexing activity on certain IPs)


    I had 3 sites each deindexed off all these cheap hosts- and none on the other cheap hosts I have. My point is it is a BLATANT pattern.


    02HOSTING.COM
    MEGAWORLDHOSTING.COM
    STABLEPAGES.COM
    HOBOHOST.COM
    LEVELHOSTING.CA
    BELTHOSTING.COM
    blackcows.net
    centralhosts.net
    securedragon.net
    tuguhost.com/weloveservers.net
    webup247.biz
    rshosting.com
    hawkhost


    It is really weird and there are certain hosts that do not seem to have gotten any PBN deindexing- for example Hostgator is one I have confimed and several other people have as well.


    Anyways, let's talk on this thread about what actually matters, which is how the hell do we get hosts that are not shitty IPs? I'd be willing to shell out $20/month per PBN site host- but it seems that simply spending more money on a host does not guarantee anything.


    DEDICATED IP ON REGULAR CHEAP SHARED HOSTING ACCOUNT


    On most of these cheap shared hosts you can get a dedicated IP for an additional $3/month. But it is only seperate from their regular shared hosting account(with all the other spammy sites) by the D-Class. So if their shared hosting account is xxx.xx.xxx.5 your dedicated IP is just xxx.xx.xxx.6. Do you guys think that will make a difference?


    DEDICATED SERVER


    Wholesaleinternet has a dedicated server for $20/month. I don't know shit about dedicated servers or anything about how hosting blocks are sold off to other people- but it seems that people are buying these and reselling them to a bunch of other spammy site hosters? Will the server I order be distinctly different from the next spammy guy over by more than a D class?


    https://www.wholesaleinternet.net/dedicated/


    So how do we for sure go up in quality(far away from neighboring spam sites) when choosing hosting? Let's say we have $20 to spend per host/month or even more- is it even possible?
     
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    There are many reasons. ip diversity is just one.

    If you got a manual review then your whole pbn will be open book for google and it depends upon them if they will shoot one by one or all at once.

    if you really care about ips then make a list of sites hosted on that ip and check if they are also deindexed. if all sites are deindexed then google might have banned that ip. or if all sites on a ip are still indexed then it's a manual review.
    -=-
     
  3. mudbutt

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    ip really is just one part of it. you may have another footprint and not realize it.
     
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  4. SEO Power

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    Perhaps the sites on those hosts are largely spammy and Google decided to deindex some of them, not because there are PBN sites hosted on them, but because the majority of their hosted sites are spammy. This could be the reason.
     
  5. Lares

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    Did you ever try to move those deindexed domains to different host and they got indexed again?
     
  6. ricardo78

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    Is there not any way to allocate a private proxy IP to a DNS to resolve your host via the proxy's IP? I'm not sure if that made any sense, but I think you got the idea... Is something along these lines possible?
     
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    Why don't you go with digital ocean, for 5$ you get a dedicated ip and a 512mb VPS, not a lot but it's way better than any cheap SEO host. Each time you create a new droplet you get a new ip from 4 data centers.
     
  8. kcampbell648

    kcampbell648 Newbie

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    @IceHD I will look into that.

    @everyone else you are talking about exactly what I predicted in my first post and not what I'm trying to discuss here
     
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    The best way would be to use each of your pbn site as a real site with unique hosting and all.
     
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  10. Reyone

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    A cheap PBN should ONLY be used for churn and burn. This is the reason why you will get SHIT ips and why they will get deindexed

    If you want a legitimate long term PBN, invest thousands on each domain - too expensive? Stick to rank&bank techniques.

    You want straight up answers? That's it, being cheap won't help - including your IPs

    WOW - the first time I see a sensible answer in regards to this whole PBN drama here @ bhw
     
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    All this drama about hosting aside of shitty sites is a myth. Every shared host hosting hundreds of shittiest sites, and Google well knows it and doesn't penalize any good sites on these hosts because of their neighborhood.
     
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    i dont spend thousands on each domain in my pbn and its powerful and has no problems with deindexing. work smarter, not harder. spending more on each domain doesnt mean shit if you arent smart about footprint management.
     
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  13. durjoy

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    I lost 90 sites in last month.

    now finally de-indexation stopped. thank God.

    I moved rest of the sites to Good hosting companies and changes all the sites from wordpress to joomla, simple CMS, drupal and static HTML.

    @OP - Always check IP neighbours , TraceRT IPS and save the last hop and compare the results.
    do not host more than one into same IP block / DC/ Hop.
    avoid footprint and if possible change all of your sites to static HTML site, get a copy microsoft frontpage or web express.


    ATB
     
  14. Moosey

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    This. At the end of the day, it's VERY simple.. Google does not want CRAP in their index. Give Google what they want and I promise they will leave you alone. How do I know this? Years of experience and endless testing on a day to day basis. If you're filling your PBN with garbage, irrelevant content, don't be surprised to see it de-indexed.

    For example, you purchase the domain cheapwomenshoes.com -> great metrics, backlink profile looks clean. Backlink anchors are relevant to womens shoes. You start posting content about everything under the sun, SEO, IM, Insurance, etc etc (you get my point) and start linking out to the sites you're trying to rank. You continue to post without establishing relevancy from the site you're posting on and the site you're linking to. Not only are you filling your site with irrelevant crap, but the actual weight of those backlinks is watered down because you fail to establish that relevancy (hummingbird anyone?). Now look at the bigger picture... what legit sites do you see doing this? I myself can think of many different ways to start writing an algorithm to detect interlinking sites filled with crap, imagine what Google can accomplish with countless skilled programmers.

    So how does Google catch the PBN? You're ranking buddy for Cheap Insurance offers or something, their competitor looks at the site and wonders how this new site popped out of nowhere when they've been spending thousands of dollars to rank the correct way. They report you to Google -> then they start snooping around. You know what happens next.

    Learn how to link inject properly and how to establish relevancy with your content. Not only will you be safe from algorithmic updates, but you'll find that you won't need NEARLY as many links as you would from completely irrelevant sites. Provide content that would actually be useful to someone that lands on your site. Most will argue that this is a waste of money because they can build more sites the cheap route. Those are the same people who start threads like this, while we continue to expand our networks that continue to power our sites, update after update.

    When you take the lazy route building your sites, it becomes VERY easy for them to trace footprints. I agree with mudbutt 100%, work smarter, not harder. To those of you who think my suggestions is much more work, read between the lines, I'm not going to feed it to you on a silver spoon.
     
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  15. Reyone

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    "Work smarter, not hard" - I don't work harder by investing heavier; I'd say I most likely work smarter - The way I do it means that I cannot only have a way stronger PBN, but it also means that I can monetize it, get targeted traffic and once you link, you will not only be sending metrics but actual valuable traffic. Hence the chances of getting caught are none.

    Spending less money also works; you can definitely get away with it and you will most likely get your rankings up and the PBN will remain there for a while (for as long as you don't make any retarded move when building it). In my view, I personally prefer to invest heavier and to A- have way higher quality websites/domains and B- be able to drive traffic and monetize it through different means. But yea, you are going to need a team to build a PBN this way.

    Anyways, do whatever works for you of course :), but if you had freedom of investment, I can guarantee you that going for legitimate websites and creating a business model for each will get you a lot further.
     
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  16. kcampbell648

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    Don't have time to read everything here but it looks like nobody is following the topic of the thread as I already mentioned. I'm willing to spend big money on good hosting. That is what this is about. Not about footprint management or anything because I know all about that. So if anybody actually knows a way to get good hosting even if expensivethat would be great. Possibly a dedicated server that would actually work or something like that.
     
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    If I were you I'd contact hosting companies to inquire on their connections, I doubt someone here would just give that out.
     
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    Sent you a PM.....
     
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    Can i vote this statement for the most dumbest bullshit on this forum, please can i????


    If you have a great site with awesome content and natural backlinking you WILL get fucked bu Google, that is a FACT, also their index is filled with CRAP, i have sites that are made out of crap and they do fine for YEARS!!!!

    Don't fall for that Google Mantra, it is a lie and that has been proven over and over and over again with tests that you can find all over the net (Google it LOL) !

    It is all about your footprints, if you're dumb enough to have a PBN excising only of Wordpress sites (like most of you have) then you will get fucked, when have PBN existing out of the same themes, like a lot of you do, you will get fucked, if all of your PBN sites have no way to make a little bit of money, you will get fucked, if you use the same Whois info (even with protection) you will get fucked.

    I have multiple PBN's (about 200 sites in total now) is build out of 20% wordpress sites, 10% Drupall, 10%Joomla and the rest are basic HTML and CSS sites, and guess what only 5 sites are deindexed and all of them where wordpress sites, it is a bitch to maintain but i have a simple system to add and change content if needed.

    My hosting exists out of multiple small accounts with the biggest hosting companies, that way i can bury my sites among the thousands of other sites they host and that seem to work, my tip would be stay away from WP, i will be converting my 20% to css/HTML as i think WP is a huge footprint.
     
  20. Todd34

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    So, you host your 200 sites in how many different hosting companies? 10? 20? And you create different accounts in each one for each site, right? But don't these accounts have the same IP because they are on the same host?