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Ranking your site too fast with high PR links = Sandbox?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by seoperson, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. seoperson

    seoperson Registered Member

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    Just wondering, does anyone here ever ranking their site really fast by just using 3 or so high PR links (PR5 and PR4)?

    That, combined with a linkpush (small link pyramid).

    I have been trying this with PR2 aged domains that I purchase from godaddy auctions.

    Within 2-4 weeks I hit page one for keywords that get like 300-600 searches per day, and have medium to low competition.

    Sometimes I hit like 6th place, sometimes 2nd place.

    However, it seems that after they rank for about a week, give or take a couple days, they drop into the sandbox, or drop back like 2 pages.

    The dropping back 1 or 2 pages I don't mind so much, but the deep sandbox is a bit worrysome.

    With all of the google chaos lately, I am pretty reluctant to build a bunch of crap links (IE: forum profiles and AMR etc.)

    And besides, it is EASY to rank very well just by using high PR homepage links + small link pyramid. However, the problem is that it apparently triggers a penalty/sandbox if done too quickly.

    Anyone else have any experience with this? What seems to be a good speed to get your site to page 1?
     
  2. seoperson

    seoperson Registered Member

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    Also, my sites are 5-10 pages, but I only really link to the homepage for the most part.
     
  3. elevenbangbang

    elevenbangbang Newbie

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    You falling back a couple pages is probably from losing link velocity or losing your backlinks.
     
  4. dr_0x

    dr_0x Junior Member

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    I have had sites that I believe to have been sandboxed (penalized) from adding a ton of links really quickly on a newer site. The links numbered in the 100s to 1000s were not from high PR sites though. The reason I say this was a penalty is cause one particular site was the third spot in the serps (#3 and not 3rd page) for the main keyword. Soon after the blast it saw the last spot in the SERPS but was still there.

    All the content was original and there was no duplicate content issues. The site did return to the first page after about a month.
     
  5. hispdcha

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    Google knows about sites that are bought and used for this tactic. People have been doing it since the dawn of the search engine using links as a ranking factor. Google is a domain registrar and can tell if a domain has been transferred to a new owner. If the site doesn't stay the same with the new owner, everything that domain had prior gets set to 0. All links are nullified and trust is lost. It's just like a new domain, unless of course the domain has been penalized before.

    That's why this works for a week, Google watches the domain and if it changes hands as well as purpose, it usually gets the reset pretty quickly. To avoid this, it's best to maintain the domains purpose and slowly 301 pages over to the new domain, but many times this doesn't work either as Google catches on to the gig. Personally, I recommend if you are going to do this, make sure you continue on the domains purpose and then just link from the site to your site.
     
  6. RealEcon

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    You are probably getting negative link velocity after a week with the link push/link pyramid. Using free cheap links is cool if you can always have a daily flow of new ones, otherwise its better to just stick with high quality paid links or links that you own. The dont get moderated away, when you control them.
     
  7. softwareprogram

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    Guys fuck google they are not Gods, lol I ranked up 32 sites all on page 1 for different niche :) but I am not doing any SEO due to load of work .. I can tell you that if you site went to page 3 .. most probably due to CONTENT or check your site PAGE TITLE that's something not too many people figure out :)
     
  8. softwareprogram

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    specially when you using wordpress even slightest changes make things worst :), wordpress users understand what I mean :)
     
  9. Santa Claus

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    Maybe I shouldn't say it, but you are wrong. I buy expired PR domains all the time and around 66% keep their original PageRank with different content and no link building at all.
     
  10. seoperson

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    I agree 100%. I Have purchased over 100 aged domains, and most keep their PR.

    I have also had aged domains with PR2+ rank faster/easier than brand new domains, many, MANY times.

    I am just a little concerned because I have been noticing if you rank to fast, and get to page 1 in like 2 or 3 weeks, it seems to trigger some sort of penalty. I just hope that it isnt' one of those obnoxious permanently penalties. I doubt it is though.

    And before more people jump on this thread and and "there ARE no permanent penalties etc. etc.", you should know this:

    I have dozens of sites that permanently bounce in and out of the sandbox, and they have been doing this many months now. I built to many crappy profile links to them. Even sites that ranked great for a few months have been pulled into the sandbox as of the last 2-3 months. That newest google update really killed a lot of sites with mass crappy links.

    Also, the sites that are perma-sandboxed spend far more time in the sandbox than they do out of it. They come out for 3-5 days, then go back in for a few weeks.


     
  11. friedman

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    when you get to page 1 for a keyword that has any traffic
    gaygle sends a manual quality reviewer to the site...
    if it doesn't pass the smell test, they slap you down manually.

    I see gayglebot crawling my sites all the time, but I ONLY see Gaygle on the site when I hit page 1.

    I use a live help system for $9 a month and it records all of the ISP, etc , much easier than digging through awstats...

    I also find gaygle snooping around sometimes, with fake ISPs and Fake city country...
     
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    See, whenever you create a new site, you should make the foundation strong by making few high PR (exact pages) backlinks. This will give your new site some strong foundation now you can go a little aggressive with SEnuke / manual backlinks :)

    I haven't seen a site losing its ranking or going to sandbox with high PR backlink unless they are blasted out with the scarpebox
     
  13. Tertsim

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    So how do you know it's google if it's a "fake" ISP?.. That is, reverse DNS doesn't mention google.
     
  14. yerrot1

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    I've never heard that, like ever.
     
  15. seoperson

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    Yea, if websites always got manually reviewed when they hit page one for a good keyword, 90% of the sites would be sandboxed or de-indexed etc. lol.

     
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    Hey guys something strange happened to me.I have a site PR2 on the homepage.It is almost one year old and i wasn't doing so much seo before only i bought couple of scrapebox,xrumer blasts from fiverr.
    So like 1 month ago i decided to rank my site better.I did the onpage seo and made 1-2 xrumer,scrapebox blasts and my site started to rank pretty well.
    I targeted like 10 longtail keywords.And i ranked on the first page for half of them i got 4,5,6,7,8,10,11 positions..My traffic went from 40 visits per day to 700-800 per day only from google.So i remembered that i had the report from one xrumer blast that i did before on fiverr 23k profile backlinks for 5$ :D
    So i decided to ping all the backlinks with pingfarm dot com.After that my site droped from the firstpage ranking for its keywords and now i am on pages atleast 5-6-7 for all my keywords and i dont receive any traffic from google.
    Do you guys thing that i am penalized ? Is there any change that i will rank back on the firstpages and how i can do that? I was really happy for my rankings before the drop and i had planned the perfect campaign to use the traffic for but it seems that it failed.. :S please give me some suggestions.
     
  17. SuperLinks

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    The bounce and drop in rankings was less likely the high pagerank links, but the link push and other forums of linkbuilding.

    Keep in mind that sites WILL experience the Google dance in the beginning anyways. Its all about giving it time AND continuing to build links. The more of quality PageRank links that you build and maintain, the more your rankings will raise and stabilize in the long term.
     
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  18. seoperson

    seoperson Registered Member

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    I only did high PR + Linkpush. No other form of links.

    Your post sounds very reasonable. Thank you.

    Very cool high PR homepage service you offer by the way. Couldn't help but notice your sig :)

    I may just try that out at some point.

    Also, glad to see someone else on the east coast. I am in VT myself. What part of NY you in? New York City?
     
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    Thanks - ya, I'm in NYC, you ever make it out here?
     
  20. rippa911

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    Sandbox is due to duplicate content/links from Dodgey sites.