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Ranking videos on Google - What the F

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by Nargil, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. Nargil

    Nargil Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hey there BHW,

    Lately, I have been having a lot of issues with ranking youtube videos on Google.
    I know, I know, social bookmarks and scrapebox and embeds. But well... no.
    I actually tried and tested absolutely everything and nothing seems to work.
    There are videos ranking on 1st spot with 20 terrible quality backlinks, while mine have over 800 indexed, many of them high PR, and I am still on 4th - 5th page (checked by majesticseo).
    They are also above me on youtube serps, even though I have more likes, more high retention views, comments, better quality, every single thing. Videos have been up for over 6 - 7 weeks already.
    Of course, videos are very well optimized.

    What I tried already:

    - Multiple scrapebox blasts - These helped a bit
    - Social bookmarks, both high PR and low PR - Worked the most probably
    - Link pyramids - No movement
    - Retweets - Absolutely nothing
    - Senuke blast - Nothing
    - Video embeds - Nothing
    - High PR blog comments - Nothing

    Backlinks were made with using of only the main keyword, but I don't think that keyword diversity is needed when it comes to videos.
    Some videos ranked, some didn't. Ironically, those with less competition did not.
    I have a feeling that the algorythm for ranking videos on G are pretty much random. It's like throwing a really expensive sh*t against the wall and waiting for it to stick.

    So please BHW, I am in need of help. Any advice will be really appreciated. If you don't want to share your advices publicly, just send me a PM, I will be damn thankful for that.

    Your "son", Nargil
     
  2. Rua999

    Rua999 Power Member

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    You need more than just backlinks.. high retention views, comments, followers, likes and subs.. links to your youtube channel, activity on your youtube channel and setup your google + profile too
     
  3. Nargil

    Nargil Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Thanks for your reply.
    I mentioned, that I have high retention views, I have custom and even real comments there, I have a few subs and favourites.
    Honestly I don't think, that backlinks to youtube channel will be of any help, at least not from what I read and heard.
    And of course, G+ profile is all set.
    Also, I honestly doubt that, views, comments, follower or subs have any impact whatsoever on ranking in Google SERPS.
     
  4. panda23

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    How many views does your video have?
     
  5. Rua999

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    Sorry i just skimmed over your post.. i have a video explaining it all i downloaded on another forum. Look here for "Offline Video Domination" and it has a lot of tips on how to rank YT videos on GG.. including the one on building links to your channel.
     
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  6. YenSync

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    You serious?
    Also, give it some time.
    For some of my videos, it took 3-4 months
    to reach the #1 spot.
    But once there, they keep
    that spot for long, long time.
    I prefer that over getting banned all the time :)
    Succes!
     
  7. marcelomusza

    marcelomusza Junior Member

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    What's the competition of the keywords you are using? There is no need to tell that a higher competition kw will take longer to rank better. Weird thing as you seem to do everything fine and with diversity, I am ranking my videos with no issues at all, I even ranked a 500 exact searches kw yesterday and it is in position #4 of the first page today.

    Are you using diversity in the contextual backlinks? using other keywords as anchor texts?
     
  8. Nargil

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    Over 100K - Yes, they have a good ratio of likes. It's a little bit worse with favourites and subscribers.

    Thank you, I will definitely take a look at it right away. :)

    Well I don't think that they have THAT much impact there. Of course I want to rank a video on G, which is at least in top 5 of youtube.
    But yes, I suppose they may just need more time, but hell... those keywords are not THAT competetive.
    Also, do you continue to build links during those 3 - 4 months? Or you just throw them there and let them be? (I think I know your answer already). :)

    Competition is ranging from 2500 exact to 300 exact. Nothing THAT big. And as I mentioned, ironically, those with higher competition are higher in serps. :)
    No, I am not diversifying at all to be honest. I always thought and still think, that google won't be penalizing it's "own" videos. Could this be the problem there?
     
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  9. Designer1

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    I'm having the same problem. Starting to think that youtube is implementing some google like penalization system.
     
  10. marcelomusza

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    Mmm it is possible. I only make High PR bookmarking and using diverse kind of backlinks: web 2.0 properties, sharing docs sites, article sites, etc.

    And I always use diversity in the anchor texts, using LSI keywords, same with the contextual links I place in the articles.
    It is working for me tbh, perhaps you should make a simple test with these advices and see how it goes.
     
  11. Nargil

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    That's what I am starting to think. Either that or I am an idiot. Both is equally possible. :)

    Hmm... there are so many variables which can be wrong, that it may take ages to figure. But I suppose I will have to try it this way.
    To completely remove scrapebox from the equation and go just with high PR backlinks. And diversify. But then again, this is still only a hypothesis so...
     
  12. radiant13

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    Is your on page seo optimized? KW in file name, account name, etc.
     
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    I just started out today with YouTube. As I see, you used the same anchor text. I will try to use diverse anchor texts and let you now the results. :)
     
  14. Nargil

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    Yes, as I mentioned it is optimized. The channel name doesn't include my keyword, but other than that, the SEO is perfect.

    Definitely keep me updated. ;)
     
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    Ah, so that's why you warned me to not do YouTube video ranking on Google on my Journey thread. Anyways, I am going to try it nonetheless I will keep you updated on my progress. :D
     
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    Idk about you guys, but 1k social bookmarks and Im ranking first page with Youtube videos for a 6k exact low comp KW
     
  17. cutekid1

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    i just run senuke social mix template 1 week my video on top of google in uk :)
     
  18. oldweb

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    In my niche "area" it is all about what happens in the first few minutes after I upload the video, it has nothing to do with channel, views, backlinks or anything else but yes they can come into play later after a shuffle when a 50 odd first dance can end up going to top 20 or maybe lose a few spots. 90% of the time though, whatever happens with the video after Google finds it is a lottery from my side although I guess is determined on many factors with the video itself, title, des, tags, subject, demand, competition etc. then Google with throw it up from anything to no 1 within minutes or 99 or even nothing occasionally for highly competitive stuff.
     
  19. strangeris

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    This thread is exactly what i was looking for. Lets pretend that i've got a bunch of kws, all related to same niche. One of the kw's has really low competition and i'm going to put up a website for it.

    But with the other kws, would it be a good plan to make a youtube video for them and then put a link pointing my site? And after that buying some views maybe?