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Ranking on page 1 for super competitive term for the past 2 years... all of a sudden gone

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by bonermagic, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. bonermagic

    bonermagic Registered Member

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    Looks like I've been hit with one of those -30, -40, -50 penalties...

    I've been on page one for an extremely competitive keyword for around two years. It's been my most profitable site by far.

    Last weekend I wake up and I see all my page one rankings for this particular site have slipped to page 7.

    Even when you search for "mydomain" in Google, I am not listed on page one.

    My search engine traffic is down to about 2% of what it was.

    I never did xrumer, scrapebox, or anything automated... just manual blog comment posting, social bookmarks, link wheels, directory submits, etc... I also had some VERY high quality links from related sites.

    My question is - since I was outranking billion dollar companies... do you think they possibly got mad and did something to get me booted?

    I submitted a reinclusion request a couple days ago in Google, but still no response/
     
  2. darrensss

    darrensss Power Member

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    if you didnt do xrumer, scrapebox or anyother blackhat software? what have you been doing?
    is all of your seo whitehat? if yes why are you in this forum?
    And have you taken any services from other BHW members in the last 8 weeks? paid or free?
     
  3. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    I mentioned it in another thread, and I'll say it again.

    Due to pressure from regulatory Fortune 500 companies, the internet is about to enter the next phase which is being referred to as Internet 2.0

    What this is basically meant to do is to give an advantage to these Fortune 500 companies, so that you can't outrank them, since they will be all listed within the first 3+ pages.

    It's to make sure that there are no competitions bidding for anything related to what the Fortune 500 companies are selling or providing.

    Also, the internet regulators due to pressure from governments and corporations want to make it so that you will need a License or have to pay Royalties to even be listed in the big search engines.

    This is why I recommend saving your money and going offline with your businesses when the time comes.

    Greedy companies and corporations will always try to create monopolies, it's just how their Mindset works. They don't want competitions, and they will do whatever they can to get rid of them even if it means lobbying internet regulators to pass laws to benefit them.

    The same thing happened with the Healthcare Bill that many people got duped into believing it would benefit them, but now it has come out that the Insurance companies wrote the bill to benefit themselves, and people will not only get lower quality treatments, pre-existing conditions won't be covered, and you can be penalized or thrown in jail if you don't buy from them.

    You can go on Google or any news website and type Internet 2.0, the new internet, new internet control, obama's new internet, etc. to read more about the Global Governance and Monopoly being created within the next 2-3 years.
     
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  4. bonermagic

    bonermagic Registered Member

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    I'm careful. I have done link wheels and some 100 profile packets. That's the closesst to blackhat I have gotten. Do you think google would penalzie me for those???
     
  5. Crixus

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    Sometimes, but rarely, a popular site will simply fall out of the index. I've had it happen once or twice over the years and it came back later with similar ranks.

    >Do you think google would penalzie me for those???
    Hard to say without looking at them, particularly the linkwheels.
     
  6. moremoney

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    Be a shame if this did happen. But wouldn't a new search engine come along because everyone would quickly get sick of Google if it was only displaying the same big companies.
     
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    i agree with this
     
  8. edgematch

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    Why can't you imagine just the opposite? Why don't you see the hidden facts behind the curtains? Is bing or google or yahoo so fool to realize what you predict?

    Big companies always want smaller ones around to protect themselves. So no worry.
     
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    Unless you have be de-indexed a reinclusion request is a complete waste. What would they respond to?? Because you rank lower than you used to rank? You will not get any response because there is nothing to respond to, you are not de-indexed.

    From the sounds of it I doubt there is any kind of penalty. What you need to do is look at your link profile and see what has changed. Have you maybe lost a few High PR links lately? Do you have a lot of similar links that may have been discounted for some reason. How does your link profile compare to a month or two ago? It really sounds like you are not getting credit anymore for some incoming link juice that you were when you were at the top. I would do a through check of your back links, especially the high PR ones and compare it to what you had before this happened.
     
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    Actually Google would fight this tooth and nail. The get most of their money from ppc ads. Who has the deepest pockets when it comes to buying those expensive ads? The big companies. If they were all on the first page there would be no reason for them to pay those crazy ppc rates and Google would lose a huge share of their income.

    Also if people started getting results that did not match what they were looking for because the front page was all taken up by fortune 500 companies then they would just stop using Google and find the sites they wanted another way. Then Google would end up like Yahoo a site that nobody uses that does not make any money. I doubt they seriously want to go there.

    Now do I believe that there are people out there that would love to see that kind of thing happen? Yes I do. Do I think it will? No. Will it get harder for the little guy because the Govt keeps passing stupid laws that end up making it harder to make a buck? Yes it will. Will the offline world be any better? Not a chance, all the stupid rules will kill everybody equally online or off.
     
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  11. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Google is actually the one promoting this heavily.

    You have to remember that Google is now an NSA (National Security Agency) company, which is going to get TENS of BILLIONS of dollars per year to create Internet 2.0

    They get chump change from ppc, most of their money will come from Fortune 500 companies who will give Royalty percentages to Google.

    You should read about the next phase of the Internet 2.0

    And it's not only about money.

    It's about CONTROL and MONOPOLY.
     
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    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Why don't I imagine the opposite?

    Because I like to look at Facts and not opinions.

    My full time job is a researcher, so I have to look at FACTS, and not opinions or assumptions.

    Google is the one who is all for this ever since they have become a NSA branch.

    What do you think Google Earth and Google Maps is all about? (They sell the information to the NSA)

    This is also what Facebook is doing as well.

    They sell the private user information to 3rd party companies and the NSA.

    And big companies don't need smaller ones.

    Do you think a Fortune 100 company like Wal-Mart gives a damn about the mom and pops store down the street?

    It's all about Control and Monopoly.
     
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  13. LordSwarovski

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    You are watching way to much Alex Jones movies...
     
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    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    I'm not going to sit and debate back and forth something that is already waiting to happen within the next 2-3 years at the current rate things are going, but if you are interested, then here's something recent regarding Internet Control, which is one of many regulatory bills that they are trying to pass:

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/us/27wiretap.html?_r=1
    The NSA is going to use Google as the frontier movement for Internet 2.0

    And there are literally thousands of news articles on it, which you can read yourself if interested.

    The point is to not put all of your eggs in one basket because the internet is a luxury and can be taken away at any point in time, so your financials should not depend solely on the internet.
     
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    u ever think that your competitors backlinked you out of #1, because you werent being proactive enough in building links to keep your spot?
     
  16. bonermagic

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    For all of you who are saying it is not a penalty:

    I have a rather obscure domain name.... i.e. guiu4uhjj.net... I am now no longer ranking for "guiu4uhjj".. in fact, I am not even in the first 5 pages of results for it

    I also have been monitoring 15 of my strongest keywords... pointing to my mainpage and also to subpages. All of these are now atleast on page 5.

    If this was just a normal rankings shift (and I pray it was only just that), I would still keep atleast SOME of my rankings.
     
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    Excellent advice.
     
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    Yes, internet changes, it always did.
    But I don't believe for one second that fortune 500 companies will buy the positions by bribing Google.
    If that is true, expect a massive outcry from the public.

    If Google turns into a shitty pay-to-get ranked service by big corporations, people will take notice, believe me.

    I'll suggest you to stop watching Faux News or whatever is that you gather this info from, it's full of tinfoil unfounded crap.
     
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  20. Longover

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    Even though this stuff about Google and Internet 2.0 sound plausible, I don't think that it helps anyone here to get caught up in it. The only thing you should take away from all of it has been said by bobbylove321 which is to diversify your business. Maybe the internet will come crashing down in 3 years when something like this happens, maybe not.

    You could spend the next 5 hours to 10 days researching how the Internet is going to crumble for us marketers. You could spend months worrying about "what ifs" and calculating the risk of taking action...

    OR...

    Or you could get your arse in gear, take action, make money, and sit back and laugh at threads like this.
     
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