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Ranking a site with no onpage SEO

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by bigballin6161, Sep 10, 2011.

  1. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Is it possible to rank a site with no onpage SEO? If I was to blast the homepage with the right anchor texts? Its for a used car dealership in my area...not very competitive. I was thinking of using the really good expensive services from here that have had good results for people! The EMD is taken but I guess I can still put it in the title, description and put the keyword on the page. Any suggestions?
     
  2. Swiss

    Swiss Power Member

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    Onpage SEO is far more important in my experience and of course Google wants to deliver the best search results based on relevancy, not on backlink count or anything offpage.

    But why would you want to do that anyways?
     
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  3. mdsurf

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    is it possible, well yes. but why, you will only be wasting time and money by not having on page seo, dont be lazy now
     
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  4. JohnnyRabbit

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    They say Onpage is about 25% and offpage is 75%....

    I believe personally that content is most important and backlinks come after content.

    Make sure you have good onpage and then start doing offpage after.

    Onpage is very important
     
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    I see blank pages that still rank but with tons of backlinks. But you should think google is contantly changing its algo and gearing towards quality contents and on page seo.
     
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  6. bigballin6161

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    But since its a used car dealership it will have tons of pages but they will be of cars so bascially all the links will go to the homepage correct?
     
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    They should have their own seperate page that links back to homepage.

    Onpage is pretty simple, offpage is a little bit harder
     
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  8. Swiss

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    So your homepage will have the written content and the other pages will have just photos of cars?
     
  9. bigballin6161

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    There is about 10 different keywords to rank for and since the homepage is going to be where all the links are going to I can really only make the onpage seo for one keyword I guess right? Then just vary the anchor texts to the homepage to rank for the other keywords?
     
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    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Correct thats why I dont know how i am going to rank for all the other keywords. I was thinking of just hammering it with various anchor texts.
     
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    And I wont be able to put the keyword in the URL but I can put it in the rest for onpage. Is this gonna be a deal breaker?
     
  12. JohnnyRabbit

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    Some onpage is always better than NO onpage..

    You should always do a little work in onpage before you start building backlinks
     
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  13. Swiss

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    Okay I see.
    Download Market Samurai's free trial and load the keywords in the keyword research function. You might have to lower the min: SEOT, min: PBR and min: SEOV if your keywords aren't of high volume.
    Focus on 2 or 3 that have the most searches and get to the others when you've ranked these first.

    You can actually just check the search volume with this tool here, but Market Samurai is really useful for a lot of other things too, so it's handy to have it..:

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    https://adwords.google.com/o/Targeting/Explorer?__u=1000000000&__c=1000000000&ideaRequestType=KEYWORD_IDEAS#search.none
    When you've done that, optimize your homepage for these 2 or 3 keywords. Keyword not in URL isn't going to hinder you much, don't worry.
    You can build links to your other pages too if they're going to stay there, after all they're still on your site, just use any keywords related to your niche as anchor.
     
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  14. Roparadise

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    Why don't you submit your site to google places or maps? so that it is one of the first to pop up. When people from your area are searching for used cars
     
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    I've done it a lot of times. It'll be much harder to get to #1 but with some extra work you can absolutely break the top 10 :pirate:then again, I only use the minimal amount I need. If you really pumelled it with backlinks of high quality, you could potentially get to #1 IMHO.

    Use whatever you can for onpage SEO. If you can't touch the page change the meta description :) TITLE (especially) and description. After that if you can convince them to make a slight change, stick it in the H1 header. That seems to be the most important part of onpage SEO from my experience.
     
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    Onpage SEO is over rated. Sure it helps for easy keywords, but competitive ones, it all comes down to incoming links.
     
  17. morehits

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    As long as its not a competitive keyword you will be able to get ranked. It will just take a bit more backlinking work.
     
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  18. cybersage

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    I think on site is important, but not nearly as much as off site. But like others said, its pretty easy to do, here is what I do for onsite, it may not help your specific situation as you don't have much written content. But here it is nonetheless -

    1. Put KWs in title & description tag for big G, KWs in the KW tag for Bing & Yahoo. Try not to repeat words in the title tag, but use plurals too, at least I do (contractor, contractors)
    2. I like to have content pages that have the KW as the url name (ex: yoursite dot com/KW1.html or whatever), I usually end up with sitelinks when searching for the domain which tells me it done right.
    3. Optimize tags (title, KW, description, img alt) for interior pages too.
    3a. Make sure you are using header tags (h1, h2)
    4. Site interlinking seems to help a lot; on interior pages your first link on written content should typically be back to the same page using the KW you are targeting as anchor.
    5. Use your KWs on image alt tags.
    6. I've read that big G's algo takes page load time into consideration, and so I try to optimize images by making them small pngs or jpgs.
    7. Generate a sitemap, which also helps for indexing your site.

    Edit: The above is for html, but also applies generally for WP. One should use SEO plugins to do the above (change meta tags, generate site map, img alt tags) and keep the same things in mind with regard to filling in the information in the plugins settings.
     
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  19. jon_xx_x

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    I did a case study on here. I had a page that was ranking around 10 for a keyword getting 14k exacts per month. I then realized I didn't have the keyword in the page title, so I changed it, and seen absolutely no change. Actually dropped a couple spots but I just think it's the page dropping and nothing to do with the title.

    Think about it though, you have a page, where say 500 sites are linking to with anchor saying "Red Computers", but it's not in the title of the page, obviously 500 people think it's still a good place to go for Red Computers, whether it's in the title or not.
     
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  20. VIC SEO

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    I don't think so, I once read a question that can you rank for a keyword that doesn't even exist on the page? Come on seriously people! How else is Google and other SE supposed to rate your site as useful or not when they can't find the tags that they read?