Hi All I've been launching new sites for long enough to know the dril, but this whole penguin thing has confused matters a little. Let me explain. I run ecommerce websites, each one selling a similar product, each one with about 1000 pages. I have 21 of these sites, all with unique content, unique navigation, site architecture, images and so on. Basically, there are no dup content issues. In the past I'd launch a new site, point a few bookmarks at it so Google would find and index the pages, then I'd build links slowly and carefully by buying small link packages here at BHW. You know, the low level stuff that includes a few wikis, a few 2.0's, edu's, articles, blog comments and so on. Nothing heavyweight, in fact I'd specifically look for the smallest bundles to avoid any red flags. These bundles are bought from some extremely reputable members here. Not mentioning any names because its not fair, as they have always worked before. Post-penguin, I'm struggling to get new sites ranked. All the pages are still getting indexed, they're just not appearing in the serps. I'm not looking for top rankings from a 6 month old site, I just want the pages to appear SOMEWHERE. There are no way enough links to cause a penalty, the anchors are extremely diverse, the links are from a vast array of sources and I dont buy blog network links anymore. I just cant figure it out. Do you think the Penguin and/or Panda updates have caused a longer probation period for new sites? Anyone experienced the same? BTW these links are working fine for my existing sites, in fact I have seen some significant ranking improvements. I just cant seem to get new sites off the ground anymore.