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Ranking a new website post-penguin

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by rapidecommerce, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. rapidecommerce

    rapidecommerce Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hi All

    I've been launching new sites for long enough to know the dril, but this whole penguin thing has confused matters a little. Let me explain.

    I run ecommerce websites, each one selling a similar product, each one with about 1000 pages. I have 21 of these sites, all with unique content, unique navigation, site architecture, images and so on. Basically, there are no dup content issues.

    In the past I'd launch a new site, point a few bookmarks at it so Google would find and index the pages, then I'd build links slowly and carefully by buying small link packages here at BHW. You know, the low level stuff that includes a few wikis, a few 2.0's, edu's, articles, blog comments and so on. Nothing heavyweight, in fact I'd specifically look for the smallest bundles to avoid any red flags.

    These bundles are bought from some extremely reputable members here. Not mentioning any names because its not fair, as they have always worked before.

    Post-penguin, I'm struggling to get new sites ranked. All the pages are still getting indexed, they're just not appearing in the serps. I'm not looking for top rankings from a 6 month old site, I just want the pages to appear SOMEWHERE.

    There are no way enough links to cause a penalty, the anchors are extremely diverse, the links are from a vast array of sources and I dont buy blog network links anymore. I just cant figure it out.

    Do you think the Penguin and/or Panda updates have caused a longer probation period for new sites?

    Anyone experienced the same?

    BTW these links are working fine for my existing sites, in fact I have seen some significant ranking improvements. I just cant seem to get new sites off the ground anymore.
     
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  2. Blueprint

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    you could try a 301 redirect of an old site URL to one of your new sites.
     
  3. rapidecommerce

    rapidecommerce Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You mean with the purpose of creating authority?

    Would it have to be in the same niche prior to the redirect?

    But if I buy an old site and change the Whois data, the authority would diminish wouldnt it?
     
  4. seo-addict

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    Sounds like you have a "High PR" problem. You need to get at least 1 PR3-4 (Page) link within the first 2 weeks to avoid penalties, etc. from too many "low quality" links. While you may think the links you're getting are on "high quality" domains, the subdomain of a web20 site is still a PR0, along with all the other link types you named. Also you should be tiering your links, increasing their juice. I don't even pay for Majestic SEO but I use it for tracking Citation/Trust flow. Check your backlinks, are all they all Low citation/trust flow? If so, build links to them, then build links to the next tiers, etc. The "High PR" shortcut is just to own a blog network and create a post on a HPR domain that you own. I do both. Hope that helps
     
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  5. Expertpeon

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    Please quit SEO.
    I'm quite serious in this suggestion.
     
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  6. seo-addict

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    Lol really? So you don't build a high PR link within the first few weeks to stabilize your position / authority in the SERPs? Bullshit.

    I suppose it also depends on the competition, the keywords I go for are fairly difficult... Everyone using blog network, etc.

     
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  7. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Nope! and I'd guarantee my results are waaaaay better than yours ranking fresh domains too!

    The keywords I go after are often literal nightmares. With top competitors paying 20-30k in homepage links to rank for a 2-3 month period.

    So... yeah, you're absolutely wrong.
    Nothing about high PR links "cement" rankings. What a mythos you've developed.

    There are many, many things wrong with the OPs strategy, but they have nothing to do with not "cementing" his rankings.
     
  8. TwistedSEO

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    That's pretty harsh. At least seo-addict is trying to help the OP.
     
  9. seo-addict

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    I respect that, but blog networks still work, and getting high PR links are still "proof of authority" in one way or another.

    That being said, getting one* initial High PR link helps establish authority, which is necessary for new sites.

    The reason I said 1, is because it's bad to have a disproportional amount of HPR network links to standard distribution links... but having a few definitely helps.

     
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    Matters not to me, my sites rank with what I explained to OP. (Of course, we're talking in addition to all other link types.)

    ExpertPeon has own strategy, fine with me ... The advice I gave the OP is sound, it will/does work.

    Usually I do a Full URL link or generic as the first one. Like I said, I think HPR links help stabilize ranks / establish authority.
    On the first one, it's not necessarily rank boosts I'm after, just the PR juice.

     
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  11. Stayer

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    pyromarketing,

    would you mind sharing the names of reputable members that you buy the services from via Private Message? I would really appreciate referrers of a more experienced marketer than me
     
  12. rapidecommerce

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    Thanks for all your comments guys.

    Gaining one or two high authority links does make sense, I'll see what I can find.

    Expertpeon, would you mind elaborating a little?

    Seo-addict, I'm not looking to rank the home page for anything. Its actually the internal pages that I'm trying to rank for many, many long tail searches. Thats the nature of the business I'm in. Virtually every customer uses a long tail search term. Its not feasible to build links to every internal page on every site. Would pointing higher PR links at the home page help achieve this aim?

    When I say PR, I know pagerank is 90% bullshit. I'm talking about the overall authority of the linking domain / page.
     
  13. rapidecommerce

    rapidecommerce Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hi guys, I never really got a satisfactory answer to my original question. Can anyone help?
     
  14. DBMEDIALLC

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    Blog networks usually rotate the links off the homepage pretty quickly, so that link is going to become less valuable rather fast. I'd bet a good 80-90% of the blogs in the blog networks today are no longer around 6-9 months down the line, so the links you build with them are not long-term by any means either. Blog networks just aren't a stable approach to link building. I'd use them to boost tier 1 links, but I wouldn't direct link with them.