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Rank and Rent SEO - Does It Still Work on PBN's? About to test...

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Yamman, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Yamman

    Yamman Newbie

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    So I am a 18 y.o. affiliate marketer and I started this SEO journey about 3 months ago. Now I have over 35 PBN sites 4 affiliate sites, and 1 local client.

    I have been interested in rank and rent SEO though. I've become very skilled at competition checks and SEO on the local level is very weak as I've seen.

    I've failed at this model 3 times already, here are how each try went:

    1.) I made a new domain (didn't understand metrics and links back then) and tried to rank for easy terms. I failed and got caught up on the 5th and 6th page of Google.

    2.) I made a new domain again...tried to rank for easy terms again.... I failed and got caught up on the 5th and 6th page of Google again...

    3.) I bought a PBN site after seeing this video by Alex Becker and it was absolute shit (but I didn't know at the time) and got to the 3rd and 4th pages of Google (it had only 2 RD's, but good CF and TF which fooled me...only DA 10 and PA 13)

    Long story short, I'm running out of money, hope, and confidence that I'm even a good SEO at all (when rankings fluctuate so do my emotions...crap)

    I'm so fucking hungry to succeed you just have no idea. I've been a failure all my life at everything I do and my family frowns upon me everytime I touch a keyboard to work on business.

    I just want to show them that I can do this and that I can make money online like I believe I can.

    I'm down to about $1.3k savings after starting with about $5k (I've invested most in affiliate sites but those take a long time to grow)

    For try #4 I'm going with my trusted domain broker I've gotten over 30 sites from so that I know I'm getting quality and I've nailed down a niche I'm going to go after that has high client value, but a soft SERP.

    I just want to win so badly, please god let this work.

    Wish me luck my friends.

    P.S.: Anyone who has done what Rank and Rent as Alex Becker describes and has been successful at it I'd really appreciate some guidance and support. It's so hard to find information on this stuff and people that are actually out there doing it as he describes.

    P.P.S.: If you are going to speak from opinion and not factual, empirical, experience then please do not give me advice. I still love you all though.
     
  2. rivered

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    How is your on-page SEO? Are you keyword stuffing (mentioning keywords too many times)?

    What is your anchor text ratio? That is, how many times are your main keywords used in backlinking?

    After you have at least decent on-page SEO and an anchor text ratio that is not over-optimized, then you can move on to the other factors.

    Still, it seems like your keywords are not as low competition as you thought.

    Are you also posting citations and other links?

    While some of his advice is sound, he over-hypes a lot of things big time. I've only watched one of his webinars and that was enough for me. It involved him quickly ranking videos for local keywords that people do not search for (ok maybe a few will who follow his course :rolleyes:). Anyone who has been in the local game for a while knows those keywords are not worth the time ranking.
     
  3. liz

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    I have not come accross rank and rent before, please could you expand on this, and share some good sources of info.

    Are you saying create a sweet high ranking PBN then rent out links?
     
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    You are only 18 y.o and you already seem to have learned a lot. My advice to you is simple, don't quit or lose your enthusiasm. It's good that you are hungry for success, but don't be too hungry. Have patience and keep learning and testing new things all the time. As Thomas Edison said: "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Good luck!
     
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  5. Gromit

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    I have no idea what this wank and tank method is so I'm not going to comment on it. You need to walk away from the gurutards though otherwise you'll just fritter all of that money away and have fuck all to show for it.

    I'll take your word for it that you know how find low comp keywords.

    How do you know these domains you're buying are any good? What method do you use to judge if the domain any good? Do you check these domains yourself and do you know what you're looking for? If they're good and clean, how are you setting them up?

    Are these PBNs your only links to your sites?
    How does your anchor density look?
    Is the onpage good?

    The key is, you shouldn't need 35 of these to rank low comp keywords, not even close. You can try the latest gurutard shit all you want, but if basics are wrong you'll never get anywhere with this.
     
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  6. Unreliable Witness

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    Good advice.

    Although I think rank and rent can be a good business model if you can rank a site and find a client to rent it. If you don't know the process, it might be best to start out with a target simply to rank and learn. Then decide whether to rent.

    If low on funds and needing to learn, SEO might not be the only work you should be doing. You need money to invest, to fail, to learn, to succeed ultimately.
     
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  7. rafark

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    Instead of buying a PBN so early in relation to your experience and knowledge, why don't you buy backlinks from already established PBN's? In the forum's marketplace section there's quite a few users selling them at relatively affordable prices, this way you can get fast results (which you seem to be looking for) and you get to learn more in the process.
     
  8. SreWebSo

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    Am I right in thinking Rank and rent websites are fake business websites that rank well for the services in a specific location? Once ranked you can rent it to a local business for them to generate leads?

    What do you do about building nap citations? Obviously you cant just enter a random adress? Do you use virtual addresses? If so isn't google catching up with these?
     
  9. Yamman

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    Keywords are only mentioned 3-4 times maximum, only 2-3 PBN links to a page diluted by 90-100 branded links to keep the anchor ratio looking good, all first page sites are directories with 0 PA (easily outrankable). No citations or other links but the pages should at least be first page off the bat in something so low competition especially with a PBN domain that is relatively weak...I dunno. Retrying this in the Chiropractic niche with my trusted domain broker who always delivers.
     
  10. Yamman

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    thanks! It means a lot, this shit is stressful
     
  11. darulez

    darulez Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    spend the remaining bucks on a ahrefs subscription and learn to use that tool.
    invest the rest into some domains from nargil.

    might be the best investment you will ever make......
     
  12. Yamman

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    Thanks for the response! The PBN's are for the other sites, only 2-3 are dedicated to this project. The domain I got for my 3rd try was shit (2 RD's and a TF of 15 and CF of 12, DA 10 and PA 13), likely fabricated metrics I fell for. Anchor saturation for exact match is only 1-2% diluted by brand links. Onpage is excellent, keywords in H1, H2, geotagged images, link out to local authority, 500+ words, etc.

    I'm very sure it's the domain causing the issues
     
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    I honestly cant believe why ppl still believe that "diluting PBN post exact match anchors" with "nofollow comment spam" works with google...
     
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    sounds like omgmachines. that bullshit I fell in 2013. and that "you can rank without links" bullshit.
    turned those sites into PBNs 4 years later.
     
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    Are you building sites with multiple pages targeting multiple towns? Either way, it will take more than 2-3 PBNs.

    Are you building citations?

    Are these major directories like Yelp, Angies List, etc.?
     
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    Not sure if
    A. Content isn't optimized (on-page)
    B. Citations weren't done
    C. How competitive the area is

    But ranking and renting is pretty easy if you can get citations done.

    So how do you get citations to the site? Offer the site for free to a local business, and do the citations for free (good ole manual work). Most businesses won't change their citations afterwards, allowing you to coast while you build local organic rankings with content and backlinks.
     
  17. asawako

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    For those unclear, rank and rent is essentially creating a site and, if it ranks well, "renting" it out to a business. For example, you create a website about pool repair and cleaning services in Los Angeles and it somehow ranks high for keywords like "Los Angeles Pool Services", you could then contact legitimate pool service companies in LA and give them details on the number of visitors you have and ask if they would be interested in having their phone number on the site and the contact form go directly to them.

    Does it work? Yes. But, of course not always. About 30% of those I've created have received enough traffic to be useful.

    @Yamman, as someone else here said, you already know a lot for being 18! I know it can be tough, but my best advice is 2 things:

    1. Patience
    2. Persistence
     
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  18. darulez

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    OMG, that is utter bullshit..
    I did this cause i learned it from some fkn +++++ bullshit gurucourse.
    dont do that crap...
    at least try go get local clients.
     
  19. asawako

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    You're right, I don't recommend doing it too, cuz it's not easy. But it definitely isn't bullshit.
     
  20. bournemarketer

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    The key to rank and rent is to record the phone calls and send them to the client for free. Listen to them to find out when they make some money on the calls and right after contact them with their monthly price.