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Questions: Using NON Indexed Expired Domains to build PBN

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Dantes2K15, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. Dantes2K15

    Dantes2K15 Newbie

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    Hey Guys,

    I'm about to get started with SEO after reading over a hundred threads on here and several blogs and watching dozens of videos over the last 30 days.

    I'm trying to rank for my first keyword. I will be monetizing by renting the site to local businesses in a foreign country with a foreign language (I'm fluent in that language).
    Already selected my niche and did keyword research and competition research + purchased an exact match domain for my money site.

    I will be building a PBN to rank the site. I headed over expired domains and found a relevant domain to my niche in the same language;
    Checked all the metrics using Majestic & MOZ tools and domain was fine but made the rookie mistake of not checking if the domain was indexed on Google
    (Right after I purchased the domain, found out I had to check indexing).

    My questions are:
    -Is a non indexed domain useless even though it has good metrics?
    -Is there any way to re-index the domain? If so, how do I go about it?
    -Why pretty much all relevant domains I see on expired domains for my keyword are non indexed?
    -Do PBN domains have to be in the same language as my target keyword? Would it be a footprint if I use a PBN in one language to rank a money site in a different language?
    -Do I have to use relevant domains to build my PBN? Can I use, let's say, abandoned Web2.0 properties in a different language from my keyword?

    Thank you all in advance,

    Dantes.
     
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  2. charliebrooker

    charliebrooker Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I'm getting itchy about using expired domains. I'm reading more and more evidence that they are being targeted by Google using domain whois from spammy domains the owners has already been penalized for. If you are going to do it, I'd recommend using different info and IP's for each expired domain you register.
     
  3. FutureProofSeo

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    My questions are:

    -Is a non indexed domain useless even though it has good metrics?

    Not necessarily. If it was dropped a while ago there is no reason why Google would keep it in the index.

    -Is there any way to re-indexed the domain? If so, how do I go about it?

    Yes, rehost the domain and put up some content and see.

    -Why pretty much all relevant domains I see on expired domains for my keyword are non indexed?

    Expired domains that have been dropped (aka not hosted) for a long time get dropped from the Google index because there is nothing there to crawl anymore.

    -Do PBN domains have to be in the same language as my target keyword? Would it be a footprint if I use a PBN in one language to rank a money site in a different language?

    It would be better to have a logical connection, but you will still receive some advantage.

    -Do I have to use relevant domains to build my PBN?

    You don't have to, but it will most likely have more of an effect in the following years.
     
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  4. LuRk™

    LuRk™ Registered Member

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    What do you do if the PBN has not been indexed after a few weeks?
    Also signed up for the link in your footer, would love to check it out.
     
  5. RajuHoeny

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    You need to index expired domains before they can pass on link juice.
     
  6. ambushiv11

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    If the PBN domain hasn't been indexed in a few weeks make sure to check the robots.txt file for that domain or try to find out if it was penalized before you got it by adding it to a Google Webmasters account.
     
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  7. LuRk™

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    Thanks, I used this site ismywebsitepenalized com to see if my site was penalized and it said it was.
    Do you know how to remove the penalty?

    Didn't use webmaster tools because multiple people here say not to use it on PBNs.
     
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    Not indexed domain names are ok, as long as they were taken out of index because the website got shut down. Be sure not to link the expired domain to your websites until you are sure it isn`t penalized.
     
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  9. accelerator_dd

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    If a domain isnt registered or doesnt have a website set up, it wont be indexed - there's nothing to index.

    To reindex it, set up some content and let Google crawl it.

    Because they dont have a site set up.

    Same language is recommended, it could be a footprint if you use different languages like what you described in the question.

    Broad niche related would be an added benefit, but non-related PBN domains still work just as good.
     
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  10. Dantes2K15

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    mrgoe,

    I put the PBN domain through the ismywebsitepenalized website mentioned a post above yours and it came back "Penalized" but so did my brand new Money Site domain. The website goes to say the following about penalized results:

    "Important: Parked domains, redirected domains, or new websites (launched less than 2 months ago) will almost always appear as PENALIZED or DEFINITELY PENALIZED."

    Should I discard the PBN domain or is it just coming back penalized because it has been de-indexed for a while?

    I checked the Wayback machine and PBN domain site does not look spammy at all. It looks like it was a nonprofit organization.
     
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  11. LuRk™

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    How far did you have to go in wayback machine to see it was a nonprofit organization?

    If you had to go over a year, it may have been a pbn/spam site but they old owner blocked wayback machine crawlers in the .htaccess. This has happened to me a few times.
     
  12. Dantes2K15

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    There are captures from October 2008 to December 2014. Page didn't have many updates throughout those years and domain expired in 2013. Page was just white background and black static text with information about the organization. I don't want to waste my time on a site that's penalized but this site looks legit to me and I'll probably take the risk and see what happens because is so relevant to my niche.
     
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    The most important here is how long ago the domain has dropped.

    If it happened a long ago, for years for example, and you don't see spam backlinks and anchors in Ahrefs, all chances are it's just dropped from the index because the site was not there. Also, years ago Google didn't penalize sites so often.

    If this is a fresh drop however, all chances are it's deindexed just because of penalty.
     
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    If the domain is penalized, I wouldn't waste my time. Just list it for sale on GoDaddy and try to get most of or all of your money back that you spent on it.

    If you're going to buy domains that aren't indexed, then manually check them for penalties. there are seriously so many domains in the sea though, I'd just get ones that are indexed.

    Register Compass is really powerful for finding/sorting domains. 40 bucks a month is a lot but you can find a group buy of it if you look hard enough. That's what I use.
     
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    non indexed ones mostly get re-indexed soon (like within a week) but why use them when you can get the indexed ones.
     
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