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Questions about buying domains for PBN

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by karupoiss, Jun 11, 2014.

  1. karupoiss

    karupoiss Elite Member

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    So I want to build my own PBN (like a lot of other people here) and I have some questions I haven't seen answers to in different threads about PBN.

    1. Is it worth going for a site that has 3xPR3 - 2xPR2 - PR1 (300, 130, 9 - 600, 240 - 160 OBL). I have met many sites that are legit sites, not spammed but have backlinks from pages that have a lot of OBL-s. Mostly blogroll type of links.

    2. Is it ok if the domain has only 1xPR3 and 1xPR1 backlink to add it to my PBN? There are other links maybe also but they are PRNA. The links are from legit site and not random spammed ones.

    3. If I have let's say 1xPR2 backlink with 10 OBL then will it rise my domain PR to PR1 or is this useless?

    4. Are sitewide links bad? For example, one domains has 22k backlinks from 6 domains. One site is PR6 (300 OBL).

    5. Most of the domains I find are NOT indexed in Google. I don't think they are penalised though because the domains were dropped 4+ years ago. Is this type of domain ok to buy even though it is not indexed anymore.

    I hope I can get answers for these questions as I did not find answers to these from other threads.

    Thank you!
     
  2. cipango

    cipango Junior Member

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    I can answer from experience on point 5) above: if the domain does not have spam links and did not have a spam site on it in archive.org, then it will be reindexed after registration. Register it, put a basic installation of Wordpress on it, ping some of its backlinks and it will come alive in a few days to a week. All my legit domains have been re-indexed. I've even had some spammed domains (didn't check them properly beforehand so I ended up buying them) getting re-indexed, but I wouldn't put links on these.

    To the other points I'd answer that you over-analyze the PRs and stuff, not to mention you waste a lot of time in doing that. PR doesn't matter that much. You'll see PR3 and PR4 domains with low PA/DA for instance. They're only worth to sell to people who value PR, or to sell links on Fiverr. But for your own PBN, look for high PA/DA. If PA/DA is high and the domain is clean from spam, then that's a good indicator the domain is good.
     
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  3. cipango

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    I'd like to add: here's a good method to deal with the expired domains you find. Once you have the list of available domains, put them in Netpeak or some other software and get the PA/DA. Order the domains by DA and manually check the top ones down to DA 20 or whatever you like, and don't bother looking below this threshold. You should also check your domains if they still have a PR. But don't bother to check their backlinks for PR, unless you really want to. The domain may regain its PR after you register it, but a better indicator for the linkpush power of the domain is PA/DA.

    You're going to save yourself a lot of time that way.
     
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  4. karupoiss

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    Thanks. What about TF/CF? As I have read, TF is hardest to fake so I first use majestic bulk backlink checker to see if the domain has TF over 10 and then how much the CF is compared to TF. Is Checking DA better way to find good domains than TF (assuming the backlinks are clean and not spammed)?
     
  5. myfault

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    So i have bought the domain which is almost 16 years old and MOZ DA - 13 and have some edu links. Is this worth it ?
     
  6. cipango

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    Check TF if you like. I have found that if the domain is not spammed AND has good DA, the TF is high as well.
    Regarding TF: you'll see that it can vary greatly for the www/subdomain version of the domain, from the pure domain. In order to get an accurate view of the TF, you'll have to do this: look in Top Pages in Ahrefs (or get them from other tools); if you see subdomains there, you'll have to check them all in Majestic and they will all read differently, depending on how many links they have pointed at them. Then again, the plain domain name will give a different reading. So TF is not a domain-wide metric.

    The only domain-wide and most stable metric is Moz DA. Ahrefs Domain Rank is another domain-wide metric, but not trusted as much as DA. So look at DA.
     
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  7. cipango

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    Pretty weak I would say. Low DA means it has few links pointing to it, which in turn means it will have little linkjuice to send to the site you're promoting. Edu links are okay, they help with authority, just make sure they are not crappy comments. Check the edu or gov links before buying anything, see if they're on established pages not crappy student blog pages or another platform spammed to death. Not all edu links are equal. Edu and gov are buzzwords these days, used by many link sellers to push their service.

    Apart from that, you are going to need more domains to push your SEO. Look at DA>20 or even 25. The more the merrier.
     
  8. myfault

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    Can domain age also affect in SEO ?

    What about if backlinks is 1 or 0 but DA is 20+ ?


    I see some of the sites are chinese. Is this ok ?
     
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  9. cipango

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    Yes there are domains with just a couple links and a high DA. I would tend to avoid those however, if I had where to choose from. Where are you getting your domains from? If you're digging these yourself, you need to wait and catch bigger fish, which will eventually come. If you're just starting out, it's normal to be impatient, but you'll tend to spend money on low value domains. There are a LOT of good expired domains out there, trust me.

    As for age, is that domain dropped? If it was dropped, age will be reset. If it's from the auctions, then it will keep its age. Age however may help with other stuff like authority, but not so much with linkjuice. Whether a domain with one link and certain DA will have the same effect on your money site as another domain of the same DA and more links, that's something I haven't tested, because I wouldn't spend the reg fee for the one backlink, which could get deleted at any time.

    The average numbers people look at are: DA 20 and 100+ backlinks coming from 10+ domains. The more diverse the domain sources, the better linkjuice you're getting, not to mention you're much safer if some links get deleted.
     
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  10. myfault

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    Thanks for brief info.

    I have found one domain which has 23DA and 61 backlinks from 18 domain and they are not spammy, also have some social signals. I have seen on arhive.org site, the domain was registered in 2004, i seen that up to 2011, original site was registered but after than it is redirecting to somewhere else in year 2012 and again get back to the original site in 2013 and 14. Is this affecting anything in a domain?
     
  11. Xhat3

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    The Trust Flow seems the hardest to fake, crap backlinks from backlinking tool according to my own domain have a very low TF (no more than 5).

    Also "As for age, is that domain dropped? If it was dropped, age will be reset." Really ? I didn't knew that.
     
  12. cipango

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    This is a good discussion I'm curious about: how does a dropped domain compare with an expired but not dropped domain? The first will have its age reset in whois, the second will keep age. But in terms of SEO value, is one better than the other?
     
  13. cipango

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    Redirects to legit sites seem to be ok, redirects to shady sites not
     
  14. SteveWaller

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    Common sense is your best friend when analysing domains because metrics can be deceiving. I would even go against the advice posted by cipango about ignoring domains with less than DA20 because for the right backlinks I will, and often do, buy ones with much lower scores.

    For instance, the other day I bought a domain with only 3 or 4 backlinks. It has a DA of 11 which some might say is rubbish. But then you look at those backlinks and you see that it has multiple links from a huge international body (which itself has a PR9, DA93) and the pages on which these links sit are PR5 and PR4. This tells me that these links are getting plenty of that homepage power filtering down to them and what's more, there are less than 10 OBLs on each of these pages. Furthermore, this site is hugely trusted in the eyes of the search engines and it is this trust that I am buying, not PR or DA. My personal metric of choice is the MozTrust of the root domain and I generally look for a score of 4 or more - if you go and check some of the domains in your PBNs, you'll see how hard this can be to get sometimes (just make sure it's the root domain metric you are checking - enter your domain at open site explorer and go to the tab that say "compare link metrics" and then scroll to the bottom for the root domain scores).

    This domain has a score of 4.03.

    Why not post the MozTrusts of some of your domains and we can discuss this further?
     
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  15. karupoiss

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    Thus far I have gotten 3 domains.

    1. PR 1, MozTrust 1.16
    2. PR 2, MozTrust 2.41
    3. PR NA (deleted a long time ago), MozTrust 3.12

    Would you get a domain that is:
    TF12, CF7, DA17, PA31, MozTrust 3, linking 11 root domains and 16 total links (according to Moz). It has links from sites that have DA of 74, 42, 34, 64, 26, 24, 45, 55, 51, 19, 19, 22, 19. It has mostly PR NA backlinks but 1 backlink is PR 4 with 600 OBL.

    What about OBL? Like, I have seen many domains that have linkroll style backlinks from sites that have PR 3-4 but the OBL is often 100-600. Are these backlinks any good or are they wack? I know I will probably not find that many golden nudgets but I don't want to buy domains that are crap also.
     
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  16. SteveWaller

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    The first two domains look quite weak to me regardless of their toolbar PR scores. The third is still a little low but it's moving in the right direction.

    Without looking at the actual backlinks I can only say that the MozTrust is still on the low side for me. But there isn't anything that would immediately indicate that I should not buy such a domain so if the backlinks looked ok then I'd at least consider it if I didn't have much else to choose from. Depends how much you're paying - if it's reg fee then it's a much better proposition than if it's $50.

    It's true that the value of a link diminishes as OBLs go up so that might make me think a little. But then if it was a PR4 page on a huge .GOV you would at least be getting some level of trust regardless of the PR juice.
     
  17. TBSdomains

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    it all ends up with the backlinks - they are where the SEO value comes from...