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Question To Anyone That Runs Black Hat Email Submit Capaigns

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by gimme4free, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Whether you iFrame email submits, incentivize non-incentivizable offers or do what I plan on doing: Silent CPA Submitter. Do you mix in valid leads?

    Have you ever had your accounts banned, if so, how much did you earn and how long before you got banned?

    What are your thoughts on having 100% non-converting leads from experience?
     
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  2. toyo

    toyo BANNED BANNED

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    Either you don't do much per account or you have 50% genuine leads....

    if not, the networks are gonna shave you off horribly, and the only thing you can do is flame them if forums.

    They are gonna check out your leads before payout- if they are just submitting on the first page and leaving-a big a red flag.

    You can try, but an account is worth like $50 and at someplaces its $100- its your call.
     
  3. stunna

    stunna Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    The rule of thumb is that you keep it under $100 per day per network if you are sending completely shit leads.

    I've made close to $5000 so far sending completely shit leads but spreading it out. Not a lot, but I still have a bit of experience.
     
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    how many companies were you spreading between?
     
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    toyo BANNED BANNED

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    $100 a day translates to $3k a month.

    If I was a network, I would definitely do a few checks before paying out.

    It differs between networks, some may be lucky-but many have been complaining.
     
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    The rule of thumb I mentioned before comes from a guy who does close to $7000 per DAY with e-mail submits, all black hat leads.

    How many networks you spread it between depends on your own variables. How big is your campaign going to be $1000 per day or $100. Obviously the $1000 will require 10 networks, while the $100 only requires 1.
     
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  7. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Thanks for the replies, keep them coming :)
     
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    vivalafeva Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    well i pretty much only do blackhat with email submits, and I have never had an account banned. But I dont reccomend having 0 leads that convert. Just because the way I got the leads was blackhat doesnt mean doesnt mean that some dont convert, its all about how you get your leads.
     
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    well i think they have still change to convert when company start sending crap mails for them :) myself i got quite superb idea for iframing offers , but i wonder its hardto get valid leads, got like 60 clicks on adwords and no conversion what so even on some giftcards lol :p ( haven't checked it in while ) time will show
     
  10. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    What are you using to iFrame the offers?
     
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    Stunna, when you say completely shit are you saying that nothing goes to 2nd page?

    'Cuz I could do a ridiculous amount just iframing the email, but I hold back so as to mix in as much adword legit shit as possible
     
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    gimmefree : Nothing atm :p im thinking what should i do since i gave up cakeslice , but what is best way to lower the ctr ? there are some 0.9$ incentivised offers so i would be fine with those tho since i bet ctr doesn't really matter. Allso i would need redirect user after he press submit ;P or not rly
     
  13. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    There are ways around this antsaoo ;)
     
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    around what ? :p ofc there is ways around everything , but my coding skills are near zero so i can't really do these myself :p maybe its time for JV

    about inflating traffic stats, fuck lol now i know hehe , no need to worry about traffic unless i can get 500 submits day :p maybe not even then
     
  15. stunna

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    If you are mixing then you will probably be fine.

    Back when I first started out working with e-mail submits I was using a completely blackhat technique where no second pages were filled out at all.
    I only once got a call from the network, and all they told me to do was to stop running those offers. I still got paid.

    I guess when I say "completely shit" I am referring to leads that are obtained in a blackhat manner and have no second page filled out.

    I would classify leads as "shit" if they were blackhat but still have a second page filled out, haha.

    Hope that makes a little bit of sense.

    I guess the bottom line with it all is that you want to mix your leads with valid white-hat leads to ensure long term survivability.
     
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    Can anyone show me a site that has these email submit offers on it please? I want to see what is on this second page.
     
  17. gimme4free

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    Code:
    http://www.skill2thrill.com/ca/ads/pinkpack.aspx