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Question on getting WH leads mixed with BH to keep the advertisers happy

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Dev-Gank, Oct 1, 2008.

  1. Dev-Gank

    Dev-Gank Regular Member

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    So I am making a pretty penny every week right now incentivizing non incent offers.

    My AM has not said anything after a month, and I have been paid already. My AM even told me that the advertiser on one of my offers likes the traffic, but I am worried about the other ones complaining when my leads dont back out.

    I would like to invest some of my profits back into WH leads, but every niche im doing offers for is VERY saturated on adwords, so I dont think I will be able to get cheap clicks in order to get some real leads.

    Does anyone have any suggestions for other methods of getting decent leads that will actually convert even if I have to pay for them?

    My niches are Satellite and cable TV and also insurance(auto and life) which are very competitive.

    I would much rather make less money now in order to extend how long I can do this. Currently I dont see it lasting more than a few months, but if I can mix it with WH leads im hoping I can keep it going long term.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. nessa2shoes

    nessa2shoes Registered Member

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    Yep, you and me are on the same page with this Dev - need to find a way to sprinkle some WH, converting leads in with the BH.

    So, my question on this is: Would someone who supplied incentivised, "real" leads at X dollars per lead (ie. real people who filled out the entire offer, but were incentivised to do so) satisfy the networks enough? Or is the best bet to take a hit on Adwords spend just in order to get a few legit leads?

    OR - do we go the other way and use a system like Lead Supreme (see other thread), which is WH-based and actually throw a few BH leads into the mix that will fall under the radar? :confused:

    Ness
     
  3. blackhatcatz

    blackhatcatz Power Member

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    I am on the same boat as you guys.(Only insurance though) Here is the solution. there are cheap clicks still available for your niches...just more on the content network. Remember the key is to mix the leads into the offer. you are not out to make money with paid traffic.


    Here is what I do, I just put a limit on my daily spend and track it with another redirect, once I see that my conversions are up to par (breaking even with cost or just losing small money) I mix it in with my bad leads.

    If you are making money, this is not rocket science. If you need to learn more on google adwords, I highly suggest the wholesale traffic system in the downloads section.


    All the best,

    Catz
     
  4. Dev-Gank

    Dev-Gank Regular Member

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    Can you explain that a bit more? What do you mean by mix the leads into the offer?

    All of my traffic comes from adwords actually.

    Thanks for the help Im just still a bit unclear.
     
  5. Sacrilege

    Sacrilege Regular Member

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    For what it's worth:

    If you're incentivizing auto insurance offers, some of them may actually back out. I was doing cash incent on an auto insurance offer on CJ for about 6 months once, i can't remember which company it was but they were pretty happy with my traffic. They actually gave me a few raises before they stopped advertising on CJ (doh). People who use cash incent sites are money savvy and if they find out they can save on their car insurance they might just switch.
     
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    ximscreamingx Power Member

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    Usually incentivizing real people is good enough. They are real people, real ips, and real dumb.
     
  7. sipak

    sipak Newbie

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    Slightly off topic, but I have recently started doing Satellite/Cable IPTV promotion.
    Since you have been doing it for longer period I would really appreciate if you could tell me a bit more about it.
    I am doing two very similar products, one from CB and the second from CPA Network.
    In both programs I get commission per sale only.
    I could not find any registration only CPA on Satellite TV/IPTV subject.
    What is your experience.

    Thanks
     
  8. BlackSmack

    BlackSmack Junior Member

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    IMO because I do the inct non incent offers (which I think should be written about only in a closed forum as it does help greedy cpa networks figure out things they normally wouldnt(they normally wouldn't even look into anything unless the advertiser complains but making this general information makes the advertisers aware which in turns makes the networks crack down on it (I'm both an advertiser and publisher BTW).

    It depends on how you word things to get the persons info. Let's say you're doing an email submit. Wording it

    "Enter any email address on this page to get free access to X"

    Vs

    Enter your email address and enter the 3rd word in the confirmation email they send you.

    Obviously you're going to see a difference in quality. It will still be much lower for follow throughs on the consumer end but to the advertiser they might just want an extra few hundred leads a week and don't care.

    It comes down to the advertisers budget, find ones that are BIG (they are on multiple networks and/or have brand recognition) and a few hundred leads a week won't get noticed.