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[Question] How Do I Make a Minimum of $100 a Day, Without White Hatting it?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by XileZaturo, Jul 1, 2014.

  1. XileZaturo

    XileZaturo BANNED BANNED

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    I'm going to be straight to the point: I want to make money and fast, but I am not willing to make a website of any kind.

    Here's the thing, I live in Ukraine and people over here have really poorly-optimized-business-oriented minds. I can't make money from things like survey sites and I'm not even sure if I could properly monetize my YT. Many "ideal" things just DO NOT work over here. I don't really want to scam people, but I also don't want to follow the herd and do everything by the book. I guess you could call it being a "Grey Hatter". I have moral values, but they aren't as strictly Black/White as some people would prefer. For example: I have absolutely no problem with piracy and could even spam my way to success. I'm against stealing, but there are exceptions where it depends on what you "steal" or from whom, etc.

    Well, I won't go into detail about what sort of person I am and you probably already get the point.

    Here's what I have tried:

    Making a 3-page site with a nice landing page and an opt-in form + autoresponders, blogging, PTC, adsense, YT, a bunch of affiliate sites like ClickBank and Amazon, Pyramid Schemes (almost got scammed), Chris Pharrell, Wealthy Affiliate, Amazon Kindle, My own Kindle site, selling someone else's eBooks (without editing them as my own), online advertising, using fiverr to get more likes and viewers, etc.

    Do you know what I have to show for all the 14-16 hour days doing all of the above? Several hundred dollars lost, no profit, and now I have the maintenance fee in my bank account that is probably in the -$100+ .

    I can't stand writing, despite actually having had a decent running retro gaming site with dozens of pages of content and links to affiliate sites. Nothing worked. I just can't be bothered with all of the referral and list building anymore. I want to figure out a way to earn money without putting on some BS guru mask and pretending that I know all of the answers.

    So, please, no suggestions of making my own site and any of that tired stuff. Give me the real deal without feeding me the milk.
     
  2. Carepolice

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    Hi XileZaturo,

    I don't have a magic potion to offer you, but I may be able to offer some insight into why your previous ventures failed and what you can do to succeed.

    You've clearly tried many different things, perhaps without applying the appropriate effort to a single one before moving on to the next. If you're comfortable doing so, post a link to something that accurately represents your best effort. I'm sure that some of us would be willing to offer advice.
     
  3. Trepanated

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    So you can't be arsed doing anything basically.

    Here's the 'real deal' - you need to BE arsed to do those things.
     
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  4. Yildiz

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    Here's the thing... even if you're living in the Ukraine it doesn't mean that the only people that you can target can be from there... We're talking about the internet so there's no reason that you shouldn't be able to make money from Youtube or any other method.
     
  5. OldFatGuy

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    Pretty much stopped reading right there. I can tell you for certain that you will never succeed with that attitude. Time for you to realize you're not cut out for IM and go get a day job.
     
  6. SmoothBlackHat

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    I will tell you something. You live in Ukraine. If you target people from Ukraine then you will get pennies for their clicks. It's just the market - they earn less so they are worth less for the seller of any kind. I can see your english is pretty decent, I've seen people with far worse writing profitable blogs.
    So, target people who have money (write in english).
    Start a website (stop bulshiting yourself that you can score without it)
    Do a great deal of keyword research (so you didn't waste your content)
    Spend all the time you have on writing conent.

    Only after your site is filled with content you can start thinking about backlinking.

    So... IM done properly can make you get a good money for your work. Yes, work. You will have to work, you will have to analyze, you will have to write, and even, you will have to invest. If you don't have the balls for it - find a "real" job.
     
  7. silvermember

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    Doesn't matter what country you are making IM! What matters what you are making off or not? You are the one and only who limit yourself

    Posted via Topify on Android
     
  8. wisdomkid

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    You're purely not ready to make any shit online.. when reading your post, only two things came into my mind!

    Complains
    laziness...


    And i thought the country i came from is bad... jeez.. i love my country
     
  9. XileZaturo

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    The replies came in as were expected. I was doing world-wide trades and not only in Ukraine. I didn't say that I didn't know how to make money, but stated the things that failed and the common known fact that Eastern Europe has less opportunities, because many sites refuse to work with us Slavs. I'm "lucky" enough to have a PayPal and a US bank account, because otherwise I'd be screwed out of my arse. Wired-bank transfers and checks? Forget about it (unless you find ways to use Western Union). I know that my site "could have" become the next big thing 6 months after starting it, but something felt off so I stopped doing it and closed everything down, including my social network accounts, which I used to get people IN.

    It's all baloney and there is no way you would make a decent passive income compared to what I envision. I have heard all this stuff about "getting to know" your buyers instead of just selling to them, but there's got to be other ways. I am not here because I gave up, I'm here because I REFUSE to give up. Minimum wage over here is around 120-130 and because of the war it's probably closer to 100 bucks a month now, and that's before taxes. Technology is more expensive here than in the US and the stuff that we have was imported from Taiwan and even our own stuff is garbage.

    All of this being said I could make 300 bucks a month online, but it's hardly worth it. Let me tell you that I didn't have money when I started and had to borrow it from my dad, which I still ended up spending and not getting anything back.

    There are always little obstacles that get in my way, that have little to do with me. I was learning a lot on Chris Pharrell's site, but they had some kind of technical glitch where I couldn't proceed my lessons, no matter what. I can't remember every little nuisance that happened, because I haven't done IM in about a year. It's like the entire system is working against me, because of where I live.

    Of course I should complain! Do you know what it's like to be stuck around people who can't think past their farm/garden, knowing that you will likely be stuck making a little over 3 dollars a day for the foreseeable future? Just because I have no money, doesn't mean that I'm poor in my head.

    This is why I'm here looking for alternatives and maybe people will know how to get though this situation, without doing what every other IM guy does (which is not my cup of tea, tbh).
     
  10. Mindanao

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    Sell drugs if you want to make money fast without creating a website. You can always sell it in the hood you know??
     
  11. jackl

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    You live in ukraine and you want to earn 100$ a day.

    Go do seo work on a website read some guides on bhw you might make 200-300$ a month with some luck.

    Idk what it is these days. Everyone from these poor countries somehow think they aren't earning as much, because they are from those countries.
    I earn about a few hundred dollars a month and i'm from a well developed country i'd prob earn about 500 a month or more if I could get a job for minimum wage unfortunately there are better candidates available people with college degrees so to speak
    Ppl on welfare make more then I do, but I don't qualify for it. I could probably go and get myself into 30k worth of debt to go to college and not get a job.
    What i'm saying is, the grass isn't as green on the other side as you think. There are poor people nearly everywhere and being from a western country doesn't get you much nowadays.

    You've got no money, no experience, but you want 3k a month.
    Just begin working on seo and see what happens. Don't expect to make it big, expect to work.
     
  12. Freddyjames

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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...aking-money-internet-curation-best-posts.html

    If you can't make any of the above work, get a job because IM isn't for you.

    I'm getting tired of seeing threads like these. There is so much information on this site on how to make money it is ridiculous. This place is an absolute goldmine for those who can read, use a search function and put serious amonts of effort in. Yet every day I see threads where people say they have "tried everything" or something like that.

    As for "but I am not willing to make a website of any kind", that is kinda like someone wanting to be an electrician but won't use a screwdriver.

    "Some people want it, Some people wish for it - Other people make it happen" - Muhammed Ali
     
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  13. royserpa

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    OP should follow c-e-o-s-a-m baby! :p

    With that attitude you can be as famous as ceosam :D
     
  14. SmoothBlackHat

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    You keep making excuses. I also live in that part of europe (not the same country).
    And I will tell you that what you complain about is a god blessed gift!!!
    cause making 10$ in the internet is easy as pie - write few shitty quality seo articles and there you have it. Write one high quality article and you will have even more. And for this money you can take your girlfriend to cinema with drinks! It is just freakin awesome.
    Write few articles and you have money for rent.
    You just can't realise that living in a country where money made abroad means a lot is really freakin cool.

    And about the obstacles... You think that it is hard for you, that the system is all against you? There are people in IM who are Philipino or Thai and they even have the different alphabet! You think you have it hard?

    I remeber there was a freaking journey here where a teenager was working his ass off on youtube+pva to pay his father's debt (the kid was making more than him). And he was still going to school. You think you have problem with accounts becouse of your country? This kid wasn't even old enough to get one.

    So man up. You're in a great place. You are near the freaking river during the gold rush. Now get on your knees in the mud and start panning to build your riches.
     
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  15. Enryu

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    This you, OP?

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  16. jackl

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    I'd imagine he's the baby right?

    WHERE'S THE FUCKING SPOON!
     
  17. BenWalters

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    To me it sounds like:

    a) You are unwilling to put in the effort.
    b) You are not creative and just trying to straight up use other people's methods.

    You don't have to be creative in IM to make money but as someone who makes 100k+ off an IM-ish business, I will tell you now that you can make a lot more money a lot more easily if you can come up with a good twist on methods.
     
  18. mercurialv

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    Best of luck to you, hard work will pay off.
     
  19. bihguy

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    I remember the time where I couldn't be bothered, then the bills started rolling, and I started to give a damn.