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Question For Those Hit By G Update...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Oct 18, 2014.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I wanted to ask those hit by the recent update a few things to help all of us figureout what common things the hit sites have in common. If enough people post in with the following info we can find clues as a community.

    1) What platform were your site? Wordpress, Jumbla, static HTML?

    2) What types of links were you building?

    3) How old was your site? (just roughly, like new or, months old, year old, many years old)

    4) How large was your site? (how many pages)

    5) Was your content 100% unique?

    6) Did you use spun content?

    7) How long were your articles/posts on average? (300 words, 500, 1000)

    8) How aggressive were you with anchor text in linking?

    9) Did you use SAPE or PBN links?

    10) What industry was your site in? (general, not specific. Such as affiliate, ecommerce, adsense, offline business)

    11) How well were you ranking before hit?


    Hopefully enough people post in with this form info so that we can figure out what to do to possiblly fix the problem, or avoid this in future.,
     
  2. jamesjk1

    jamesjk1 Senior Member

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  3. jxiong2012

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    PBN + very high amount of sape, GSA spammers in my niche are still ranking so idk
     
  4. waitier

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    Sometimes it might be an oversight issue like certain types of themes frequently used for amazon affiliate for example. Some even had no whois privacy for all domains.

    I mean, once i see a site in top spot and it's obvious being a niche site, doing a simple search i could identify all of his sites (whether it's his or not they all look the same). Once they tag one site being "thin", their bot just kicks in and all sites whether related or not is going to be flagged for review don't you think?
     
  5. cburton81

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    I would like to know more about this myself since I've just started paying more attention to SEO. I've always been able to rank my sites naturally but now I'm expanding.
     
  6. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I wonder if there was a round of sape crack downs???

     
  7. xjapan

    xjapan Power Member

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    1. wordpress
    2. Direct from PBN, no web 2.0
    3. 6 months
    4. 200 pages, mostly products ecommerce
    5. yes passed duplichecker
    6. 50/50
    7. More than a month
    8. Only target 2 keywords with others generic kw
    9. PBN from seller (spun article, not readable, no images)
    10. Online cosmetics
    11. 2nd and 10th
     
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  8. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I've talked with another person who had an ecommerce wordpress site hit. I wonder if there is any correlation there. I've been reading up on Penguin and it seems that there is a lot of speculation that this update entirely link-based. I know folks who use a lot of PBN from sellers and didn't get hit, so it does not appear to be a blind play against PBN links. I've heard time and time again that spammers using crappy tools have largely been unaffected by this update. Which leads me to wonder if that it is either a pattern of linking, or footprint of linking perhaps that has been exposed.

    Of the 200 pages or so you have how did you typically do your link building? Evenly to all product pages or more to some pages or the home page?

     
  9. west555

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    1) Wordpress

    2) Everything GSA spammed+ few high PR links

    3) domain age 15+ years

    4) 36 pages

    5) 100% unique with no spun content anywhere on the site

    6) Only in GSA campaigns lol

    7) 500+

    8) Pretty agressive round 30%+

    9) NOPE

    10) Affiliate

    11) 6 kw's in top 3 positions 15 kw's in top 10 and rest aprox 20 kw's in top 30

    p.s. I only got hit 2-5 positions back not wiped fully
     
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  10. erminc

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    Is it correct that only one 1 procent of the keywords got hit? So we need to look on the pages where the update has striked? In order to get some clues.

    Will the update eventually roll out to the rest of the world/keywords?

    The reason why I am asking this is because I read allot of people complaining that they got hit and allot of people who didn notice anything on their side..... Thus making it more harder for us to evalute this update.

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  11. wizdorf

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    Penguin has nothing to do with content or site structure. Panda does.

    Penguin is all about backlinks. That's it.
     
  12. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Backlinks encompass the bulk of what is off-site SEO, though. And as far as I know while Penguin is mostly off-site based, there is nothing saying it can't (or isn't) cross referencing info and changes from Panda updates when dolling out penalties. It isn't as if there is two Google's, one for Panda rankings and one for Penguin. I believe the two work together with combined knowledge. Thus things we already know about Panda may be getting implemented upon sites that trip Penguin's new rule sets.
     
  13. xjapan

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    Thoose pbn links to homepage and 1 sub page, all 200 over product pages do not have any external backlinks.
    When link building drip feed on sub page, google detected unnatural links from wmt. This subpage did not rank at all and subject to manual action (partial matches). I did not take any action and stop using wmt, since the sub page never rank and not affected the home page i dont bother about it. Keywords on main page still rank for more than 3 months until this updates.

    (case study)
    I am using same PBN services used by my friend with similar link building strategy , on my case I just brought 2 packages 30 days drip feed. 1 package on the home page and another on the sub page.
    My friend who is using the same PBN and his site also subjected to manual action. What different is he responded to manual action. He did the disavow and submit for reconsideration. I suspect this is where google discovered the pbn.
     
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  14. erminc

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    I am going to think twice buying links here from to my money site (long term not churn burn).

    If you buy for example some links here and you see that it fucked your rankings and made it even worser, you will get mad and some of you will use disavow and some will start over.

    If you go to one of those links you will find other money sites thus making it easier for G to downgrade the rankings of these sites.

    I can image that they are getting every day thousands of shady links to analyze.

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  15. ThopHayt

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    I wouldn't say that the services here are to blame in and of themselves. It's like buying a knife for self defense. It can protect you or you can poke yourself in the eye if you don't know what you are doing. I buy an ass ton of links here, I like the sellers here in general. But the trick isn't what services I buy, it's where I point them and how I use those links in a natural looking strategy. Links are links. All PBN's are pure crap, lets be honest. Spam. But we are all black hatters here, and this is how we fake it to the top. You just have to use EXTREME caution and careful thinking before you start buying links. Don't get me wrong, there WILL come a day when PBN links like you can buy anywhere these days will be as useless as scrapebox spam blasts. But when that day comes it's our job to find the next cheat that works, and until that day make money as fast as you can.
     
  16. jxiong2012

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    I know they don't hit on anchor text ratios, not in my niche. One of the longest running sites in my niche literally use 60% exact match anchor and have slipped past 2 penguins.