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Question about the US States & Gov.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by IamNRE, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. IamNRE

    IamNRE Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I know there is a section for taxes etc. but I don't think as many people visit that part of the forum.

    My question is; how does a state get money to pay the police force, pave the roads, build schools etc. ?

    Lets take the state of Utah, it gets money from the federal government right? So how does that whole process work? How do they calculate how much money Utah should get for it's schools, roads, housing, government workers etc. ? Also, is it in any way dependant on how much the working force and the businesses of Utah pay in taxes? i.e if the work & business force pay $1bil in taxes, would Utah get $1bil as a minimum and would they get only $1mil if they paid in only $1mil ?

    Can someone please shed some light on this for me.

    In before ... Google it (These sort of things are normally written in a weird and "fancy" english to make shit complicated for the normal reader to understand that's why I'm asking here).


    Cheers
     
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  2. Techxan

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    TEXAS (you have to yell, its the law.)
    Taxes and other government revenue are used in all states, including Utah for these funds. Usually sales taxes, franchise fees, permit fees, licensees, state income taxes, civil penalties and fines, and so on all go into a state's general fund. This general fund is divided up to pay for these expenses and to fund projects.

    Many times a project will fall under the provisions of Federal Government programs that will offer money to states in order to force compliance (for instance the national speed limits do not have to be followed by any state, unless they want their matching highway funds from the federal government. Non compliance results in forfeiture of funds.)

    Our representatives in Congress are supposed to further the interests of their constituents by bringing in these federal projects to benefit their state when possible.

    As far as who gets what, the census is used to plan expenditures over time. For instance, the census form has a question on it asking how many toilets you have in your home. Many people think this is a stupid question, but the information from that question over time will indicate how much funds should be set side for treatment plants and their related waste disposal for each municipality related to predicted growth in the region.

    The census is used for a lot of long term infrastructure planning for government entities.
     
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  3. twitter.followers

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    Here's what I found:

    The Budget of the United States Government often begins as the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. However, Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

    But what is the US Federal Budget process?

    The United States budget process is the framework used by Congress and the President of the United States to formulate and create the United States federal budget. The process was established by the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921,[1][dead link] the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974,[2] and by other budget legislation.
    Prior to 1974, Congress had no formal process for establishing a coherent budget. When newly elected President Richard Nixon began to refuse to spend funds that the Congress had allocated, Congress adopted a more formal means by which to challenge him. The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 created the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and directed more control of the budget to it and away from the President's Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The Act passed easily while the administration was embroiled in the Watergate scandal and unwilling to provoke Congress.[3]


    But again the question arises is what does the Budget and Accounting act states?

    You can find more about it here:
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_and_Accounting_Act_of_1921
     
  4. Pornguy

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    Property tax is mostly what schools, Police and Fire are based off of. They do get extra funds from the Federal Gov't but its not an exactly percentage. Its based on lots of factors, like amount of students, population. For Police its even based on what the Federal Gov't wants them to enforce. If the state does not enforce the laws they want, they do not get the Federal Money.
     
  5. IamNRE

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    Many thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

    So it does not really matter if a state is very "profitable" or not - they will be given X amount from all the money that the federal government has from ALL of the states and from what the Federal Government borrows from the "federal" reserve - how much Utah would get is based on how many people it has and what sort of things they need and NOT necessarily based off how much they have paid the federal government (into the general fund Texchan mentioned above) ?

    Interesting. Thanks a lot.
     
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  6. ArtVandelay

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    To my knowledge, that's true.
    The state of Mississippi, for example, gets around 2x as much money from the federal government as it gives, where as other states - like Texas - give more money to the federal government than they receive. This is based on a lot of different factors, but the size of each individual state economy varies greatly and their economical relationship with the federal government follows suit.
     
  7. IamNRE

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    Okay buddy!


    Thanks for your 2 cents.
     
  8. internetlol

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    The government knows of every business in a state. Every time a business is made the state notifies them about it. As far as how or why they pay states the list could go on and on but they don't just give it to them for free