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Question about rankings related to PA/DA

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by peterstern9, Aug 10, 2014.

  1. peterstern9

    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    My website in medium competitive niche can not break page 1 for main keywords, I am still stuck on page 2 for main keywords last 2-3 months. After doing some anchor text diversity, my rankings started skyrocketing and reached #1 for many long tail keywords, and page 1 for really really high number of long tails.

    Question for main keywords with high search volume: What means that my DA is 59, and PA for all sub-pages circles around 52 and 60.
    All competitor sites ranked on page 1 in top 5 for any main keyword do NOT have DA higher than 40, and also PA higher than 50.
    Is that good sign that I will outrank them sooner or later or that PA/DA means nothing?

    Just to mention, my domain is 4 months old, still PR0, competitors are 1-2 year old domains PR0 or PR1.
     
  2. ggguuuttt

    ggguuuttt Junior Member

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    DA and PR pay an important role but backlinks are the number one factor in ranking. Usually the DA and PR will reflect the type of backlinks you have. Seems like you have quality backlinks. Keep up the good work.
     
  3. peterstern9

    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    Thank you for reply. Yes, I have a lot of PR1-PR5 backlinks, but I can not outrank competition with junk backlinks and awful on-page SEO. Really do not know why is that so.
     
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    gary2 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I will suggest you check you back-links... they have a imp role in the website ranking... try improvising them and then check
     
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    DA/PA are metrics created by MOZ and having good DA/PA doesn't guarantee good rankings. But they can be used to get an overall idea of the "SEO strength" of expired domain or a competing website. Your competitors have the advantage of "age".

    BTW PA 50-60 for a 4 month old domain is pretty high. You must be having some "hand-built" authoritative backlinks.

    Also, first of all try to beat the #10 on first page of Google. Try to emulate their backlinks and you will hit page 1 eventually. Just be patient and continue your SEo efforts. If you have any doubts, feel free to ask me anything. Best of luck.
     
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    You may have some low quality backlinks holding you back, and even with a DA of 59 it's tough for a new site to compete with aged domains after the initial lift google gives. The trend I've seen repeatedly is a site will rank very well initially, then ranks crash, followed by a steady increase back up to page 1 or 2.

    I believe this is Google's way of testing the quality of a website. If you have a quality site, the second climb is sometimes faster. Keep up the diversity of BL's and don't be afraid to delete some.
     
  7. peterstern9

    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    PA/DA 50-60 is because I have a lot of PR1-PR5 SAPE backlinks, but even though I am the only one with high quality backlinks and real backlink power, I can not outrank them.
    I guess their power is "age". Also, my problem is still weak diversity on some sub-pages on my website where I have around 40% main keyword, 30% LSI and rest of the anchor texts are Brand and generic keywords. It can be also a problem maybe as a "partial penalty" and because of that I am unable to outrank them until I fix anchor text ratio. I am currently working on it.

    I don't see a point of emulating their backlinks because all these backlinks are just Web 2.0s and some crappy blog comments. None of competitors have backlinks higher than PR1. Mine PR5s should destroy them, but I don't see a reason for that. My on-page SEO is nearly perfect (for real).

    This is example of competition for 1 keyword in my niche. My website is ranked #18, and other sites are top 7 sites on Page 1.

    competition.jpg
     
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    Initial Effort Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    As I'm sure you know, PR is not the best indicator of quality as it once was. If they have backlinks from aged domains with high trust flow and good domain authority, then it doesn't matter if they're a PR1. Your graphic is self-evident of this and even Google has stressed that they're moving away from PR. That being said, assuming your backlinks are high quality, I still see a few missteps in your approach.

    1.) 40% main keyword is awfully steep. 10-25% is the safe zone, which includes variations of the main keyword (e.g. dog / dog treats / good dog treats)
    2.) If their approach is crushing yours, why are you so hesitant to emulate it? I agree that their approach of blog comments and web 2.0s sounds basic, but keep in mind they might just be using those for generic keywords or urls and not their main keyword.

    Anyway, sorry for the delay in my response, send me a PM so if you want a more thorough analysis :)