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Question about ethical use of tasers... Did this go too far?

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  1. dizz

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    Colorado cops say Tasered 10-year-old boy was ?out of control?


    Daniel Tencer
    Raw Story
    Friday, Dec 4th, 2009
    For at least the second time in three weeks, police officers have shocked an unruly 10-year-old child, and, once again, the child?s adult guardians are supporting the move.
    Sheriff?s deputies in Pueblo, Colorado, Tasered a 10-year-old boy after arriving at the child?s home Monday evening, after the boy had threatened them with a stick and a length of pipe. As of Thursday evening, the boy remained in a youth jail, according to KCNC channel 4 in Denver.
    The deputies involved described the boy as an ?out-of-control juvenile.?
    The Colorado incident follows a similar case last month, when a 10-year-old girl in Ozark, Arkansas, was Tasered after kicking an approaching officer in the groin. In that case, the girl?s mother had suggested to the officer that he use a Taser.
    While the foster father of the Colorado boy didn?t recommend using the Taser, he did support the officers? decision.
    ?A two-foot piece of pipe can do a lot of damage, I don?t care who?s swinging it,? Daniel Bilby told KCNC. Bilby said the police could have done more harm to his foster son ? whose name is being withheld because of his age ? if they had tried to tackle him.
    Capt. Jeff Teschner of the Pueblo County Sheriff?s Department told the Pueblo Chieftain that the officers were justified in their use of force.
    ?They followed all policies and procedures. This was appropriate use of the Taser device,? Teschner said.
    The Chieftain reports:
    Deputies Mark Myers and Randy Mondragon were sent to foster parent Daniel Biby?s home to help with an ?out of control juvenile? who was reportedly destroying property. Mondragon said the boy had threatened Biby with a pipe and a stick, and had thrown a landscape timber at Biby.
    Mondragon said that when deputies arrived, the boy ran away from them holding a 2-foot-long pipe.
    ?This lad, we have a long history of (him) running away. I don?t know what his entire psychological profile is, but obviously he has emotional distress,? Teschner said.
    The recent incidents of Taser use on children will likely spur debate on the ethical and safety issues involved in using conducted energy weapons on youths.
    The weapon?s manufacturer, Taser International, says the weapon is safe to use on any person weighing 60 lbs. or more. But some past incidents of Taser use on children have led observers to question whether there should be more severe restrictions on Taser use for children than there are for adults.
    In one 2004 incident, a six-year-old boy was Tasered by police at a Miami school after he had broken a picture and threatened to cut himself with the glass. The boy?s mother argued that the three police officers involved could not have been legitimately in danger from such a small child.
     
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    Look, we are having a real argument about this... We are both gun loving redneck texans, but really??? Kids???? We don't know how to resolve this issue without help....

    Amanda: I think that it should be allowed but in only extreme situations when the child is being dangerous to others or him(her)self. Personally, if you have to deal with children and tasering them, I think there should like be a mini taser, with less voltage, because it doesnt take much for a kid... It's like a guacamole gun, you cant get more out of it than what the setting is for.

    Jason: This is a potentially deadly weapon to full size adults. We have read about deaths in the papers from peoples with heart conditions and the tasers being used on them... Two deaths in our own city of 20k people.... And the last time I looked at a taser, I didn't see a kid setting. This weapon is made by manufacturers specs like it said for 60 lbs and up, so does that mean you need to hit someone 3 times for someone 180 lbs???? No, you don't. I think the dangers of using them on children outweigh almost any behavior that a child may be exhibiting. So to me, using a taser on a child under the age of 13 is grossly negligent abuse.

    What do yall think?
     
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    I can't really speak as to the safety... but tasering the 10 year-old kind of sounds like a weak-ass bitch move. I mean really... the copy _really_ couldn't have handled the kid? Yeesh. Ooooo a kid with a pipe.
     
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    i know wtf the kid is so intimidating to a trained cop.
     
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    I have to say in this specific case it was acceptable. The boy was swinging a pipe. A pipe is a deadly weapon and I have seen the damage a pipe can do and it is not pretty. This is obviously a dangerous child and even his own mother told the cops to use the taser. Guys children like that are not normal children, they are dangerous and need help. If he is willing to swing a pipe at a officer in front of his parents, then he will not have a problem beating another child with a pipe either.

    Hope the child learns you can not go around swinging deadly weapons at people to get what you want. If the child don't learn, at this rate he will just end up becoming a criminal as a adult.
     
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    well the pipe can do real damage in the hands of some one who is trained or has good amount strength. you are right that the child needed help i just do not think that shock therapy at the hands of a obvious under trained officer is the kind of help this child needed to not become a criminal.
     
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    Too long, Didn't read
     
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    sorry it was not the reader digest version.:D