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Question about 301 redirects after Manual Penalty (Unnatural Links)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ninya, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. Ninya

    Ninya Regular Member

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    Hey guys, did a few searches and found this: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...31168-301-redirect-got-me-manual-penalty.html

    But my attempts failed!

    Hoping someone can help me with the below:

    I've had a manual penalty happen on my site 3 months ago, from SAPE type links.
    Afterwards I had the person remove the links, all of them and filed for reconsideration - it failed.
    Subsequently I created a new domain about 4 weeks after SAPE links being removed, and setup a 301 redirect to a new domain.
    The rankings have all returned, and are increasing by the day. However, my question is this.


    Does Google only look at the ranking signals coming from a 301 redirect, or does it actually have something in place where it sees the old penalty and then passes it over eventually? I'm asking this because I know for a fact that all the bad links are gone. I've only got around 15-18 links remaining and a few social signals. Would it be better to cut the risk and turn off the 301 and continue building on the current rankings or should I just keep it considering it should be safe now? (3 months after)


    I could also remove the 301, disavow any other crappy links I see on the other site and file for reconsideration. Once it goes through (If it does) setup the 301 again to help any rankings restore.


    Let me know what you guys think of this messy scenario!
     
  2. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You should not 301 the penalized domain to a brand new site. Give it some time before you redirect.
     
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  3. morata

    morata Registered Member

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    the penalty will move on eventually. longest i got away was 2/half months. then i 301 the 2nd penalized domain to another site, again got away for a month or so etc etc ..

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    btw u can use the same content as its going to burn down anyway
     
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  4. Ninya

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    But was your link scenario the same as the above ?
     
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    By redirecting to the new site, you're taking a chance of the penalty eventually transferring over. No guarantee it will, but it might.

    Ask yourself, is it worth the gamble?
     
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  6. Ninya

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    You're right, especially for such a low amount of links that I've got pointing to the old one. I've removed the redirect and I'm going to see how much value those little links really did have. How long do you think it would take to effect in? About a fortnight. Thought it might be best to do such a thing during the busy Christmas period too before everyone's fired up for the new year.

    If it really did play a massive part in my links, I'll file for a reconsideration request since there's barely backlinks left (Mainly social signals) and if it's lifted, re-instate the 301.

    Basically, it's just a waiting game from here thinking about what the best option will be 3-4 months down the track.

    Thanks for your post.
     
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    It could be a few days or a few weeks, there's no real fixed timeline with Google these days.

    You're welcome :)
     
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    I thought it was quite well accepted that the penalty flows via 301...
     
  9. Ninya

    Ninya Regular Member

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    Yeah but in a scenario where you know which links caused it, and that those links were subsequently removed might yield different results.

    A lot of people just 301 a domain that had 30,000 backlinks, thus the penalty just returns. Trying to figure out if Google looks clearly only at link signals or history of the site as well through their history.