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Question about 301 redirect

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by theguy2, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. theguy2

    theguy2 Regular Member

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    If I 301 redirect a site with some 1k backlinks to my site, is that equal to my site having 1k backlinks? or does it have the same effect like a web 2.0 property linking to me with 1k backlinks to it? And if I spam a site and then do a 301 redirect to my site will it affect my site negatively?
    Would be nice if you guys could answer
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  2. theguy2

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    anyone?
     
  3. GreyWolf

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    No it wouldn't have the same effect as all the backlinks pointing to a web2.0 page and then getting just a really strong backlink from it. It really is pretty much the same as just changing the 1k backlinks to point to a new site. But wait, there's always a but...

    A redirect effectively is just changing the name of your old site to your new site. The redirect is the way your letting the internet know that happened. Every backlink to the oldsite will take a visitor to the oldsite then they'll be redirected to the new site. So basically if your old site had 1k backlinks then the redirect just changed them all to the new site.

    Now having said that there will be some loss as far as SEO is concerned. Originally if there were 1k backlinks then after the redirect it would be as if there were 1k backlinks to the newsite. But because redirects have been used for blackhat techniques Google has publicly stated that they reserve the right to discount the value of those links. What that means is after the redirect the new site might not get the full value of all the link juice from those 1k backlinks. How much they'll be watered down isn't stated, and the way it's explained seems as though it will vary depending on various factors.

    The way google intends it to work is for legitimate sites that have legitimate reasons for doing the redirect then they will get close to the full linkjuice from all the backlinks from the old pages. But for sites that are trying to use the redirect for some blackhat method of gaining extra value for a new site that has nothing to do with the oldsite they will discount the value of the links.

    How and how well they're able to accomplish that is unknown to us regular folks outside of google.
     
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  4. theguy2

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    wow thats as good as an answer i could have ever hoped for, thanks for the lovely answer and I am thinking of using 301 for blackhat puproses, i.e to get some xrumer and sb blasts done and then do a 301 to my site.
    Thanks for the awesome answer greywolf
     
  5. GreyWolf

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    You're welcome :cool:

    If you really plan to use the redirect to mask blackhat link building then it's really just a guess as to how effective it'll be. There's definately things ways to use redirects that way, but usually they'll just be good for short term gains. Really the only thing I can tell you about that is give it a try and see how it works. I'd be careful though doing anything too fishy on a site that really matters to you.

    I think for what it sounds like your planning to do it would be better to make some link silos and then do all the link building to those. If you do anything that hits one of the silos too hard then just abandon any of the backlinks from it to your money site and then continue on with the rest. Then just continue with a small amount of whitehat link building to the affected silo until it seems to come back to life so to speak and then you can use it again. Or just abandon it completely if you want.

    It just seems to me you'd be better off working a strategy like that, but then I don't know the exact details of how your planning to do the redirect strategy either. lol.

    edit - I know that would be more like the web2.0 example you gave, but like I said I think it would have a better effect than trying to get all the linkjuice transfered through a redirect.
     
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  6. thermapower

    thermapower Junior Member

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    If you have a website and the website has many url.

    Fx
    cocacola.com
    cocacola.com / cola
    cocacola.com / dietcola

    Then I want to do a 301 to my website. So it will look like this.

    Fx
    cocacola.org
    cocacola.org / cola
    cocacola.org / dietcola

    Can I get all my links over on the new site. Also from Fx cocacola.com / dietcola ????
     
  7. bhbfun

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    Since the OP has an answer can I ask you a similar question here. I have a site on page one of G for a keyword. I have a client in the same niche. Can I 301 redirect to his same niche site and keep my page one ranking for the keyword?
     
  8. Parsin

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    If you redirect your TLD with 301 Moved Permanently to your clients site. Your site will soon disappear from the search results. You should think about to create a strong subdomain and/or site on your domain and make the 301 redirect to your client.
     
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  9. bhbfun

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    Thanks Parsin, just so I get this 100%

    okay so if I make the 301 redirect from my site on page 1 at "atlanta pool cleaning" keyword, when they click on mysite.com, I 301 redirect to mysite.com/subdomain which is there site. is this it? Sorry not quite getting it.
     
  10. Parsin

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    Hey, no problem.

    You get me wrong on this topic.
    I mean you should build on top of your strong domain.

    example:1
    yourdomain.com
    yourdomain.com/strongsubpage >> yourclientsdomain.com
    (with a subpage you can rank faster)

    example:2
    subdomain.yourdomain.com >> yourclientsdomain.com
    (more work because google mark this as a different domain)

    There is also the possibility to only redirect with 302 or 307 (both means temporary redirect) or a third Method is to get a bit tricky with 300 (multiple choices)

    if you redirect the complete tld to your clients domain, your domain will dissapear in the results
     
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  11. bhbfun

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    Thanks for the post, it has raised a few more questions.
    1. if I do a 302 will I loose my results?
    2. so for "example 1" you are suggesting at a strong sub domain and get ranked for that keyword term thus having 2 potions on page one.

    Essentially the client is buying my ranking on a specific keyword related to his business, so I thought the 301 redirect would the fastest way to do this and ensure he pays his monthly bill. I am not sure what to do. So the big question is how do I get his site on my site but when a visitor clicks on the keyword they come to his site first?
     
  12. Parsin

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    If your client just buys your ranking a 302 is the best option in my opinion, because you don't want to lose your rankings.

    Maybe it's a good a way to just redirect the index and build some subpages around your domain, but i dont know how it will affect your domain long term. It looks a bit suspicoius if the index page redirects away with 302 and there are still subpages on this domain .. never really tried it this way :)
     
  13. bhbfun

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    So, with a 302 you will keep your rankings?
     
  14. Parsin

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    Yes a 302 or 307 is the way to go.
     
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    redirects r sometimes beneficial too
     
  16. bhbfun

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    Thanks this info is very helpful. The more I ask the more questions pop in my head. I'll keep you posted.
     
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    302's pass no link juice.
     
  18. Kameeleon

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    If anything happens because of bad seo. Does google smack 301 redirecting site or the site its redirected to?
    Meaning can I use 301 as firewall against google penalties?
     
  19. Parsin

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    Google penalties are domainbased, but when you overdo a special tactic or whatever, your complete network realm will be flaged.