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Proxmox - help me chose how to split my VMs

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  1. TayaX

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    Hey guys,

    I'm about to purchase another dedicated with the following configuration:
    Intel Xeon E3-1225 V2 @ 3.2Ghz (4c/4t) with 32Gb of RAM and a 2x2To SATA.

    I will run Proxmox and split it in 2VMs:

    1-CentOS+Virtualmin/ Will host about 20 websites, none with more than 1000uv/day, lots of cron and automation.

    2-Windows2012 or 7 or 8/ I will run GSA + 2 Instance of Followliker (60 accounts in total) + MassPlanner + ScrapeBox & OpenVPN


    So based on my needs, how should I split my RAM and CPUs in order to get the most of my machine ?
    I'm also planning on running 10 proxies with private IPs on it, on which VM should I do that ?

    EDIT: actually I will probably run on a Intel Xeon E3 1245v2 @3,40Ghz (4c/8t)
     
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    Running proxies doesn't take many resources actually. For example my server E3-1230v2, 32GB RAM, 250GB SSD and 2000 IPs is running stable ~0.5-1 server load.
    But keep in mind that E3-1245v2 is not that powerful CPU, I'd go with E5 series CPUs if you plan to run 2x GSA.

    A 12 core E5 would work pretty well.
     
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    Well I had no idea about proxies. Good to know :). I'm going to use GSA SER just for my personal use. I doubt I'll run 2 instance. the 1245v2 seemed like a good quality/price ratio. any E5 is 2 to 3 times the price
     
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    How much are you paying for it ?
     
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    I had several instances of proxmox for work environment. And your configuration is more than enough for your need. Use nginx and varnish for the websites. Also its wise to spread the websites into 4-5 VM instances. And for GSA and other tools go with server 2012. Though you should have gone with ssd.
     
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    $60 or something like that.
     
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    Damn, that's cheap.. but yeah, if you are expecting high CPU usage I'd go with E5 and not E3 series one.. because E5 series is a fukin beast

    PS: If you need awesome servers go and buy them from PhoenixNAP. Their prices are super badass + support is incredible and yes OVH sucks nuts.
     
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    E3 beats E5 hands down on a per core performance. E5 has more cores/memory than E3 (which is memory capped by Intel).
     
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    Noted. I don't think I need that much just yet honestly but I'll keep it in mind.
     
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    When we are comparing E5-1650v3 and E3-1245v3 (bot have similar clock speeds 3.5Ghz vs 3.4Ghz) then E5 is still clearly better as a server. At 4 cores, their speeds are not that much different (but E5-1650 wins still pretty much all benchmarks), but E5-1650 has 6 cores.. E3-1245v3 is good and cheap yes, but I'd pick those 6 cores over 4 every day. Also you can put A LOT more ram into E5-1650 .. so yea.

    If you want something to host your websites and simple databases then yes.. E3 series CPUs make more sense because they are cheaper, but then again .. when I made my move to convert almost 30 servers from E3-1230 to E5-1650v3 (and above) I have never looked back. But then again I'm not hosting websites and simple databases..

    Edit: here's a nice comparison: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5-1650-v3-vs-Intel-Xeon-E3-1245-v2
     
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    I said "per core". The choice of E3 vs E5 boils down to what are you going to need it for. A few apps with high CPU requirements? E3. Tons of app/vps ? E5.

    Btw, the proper link would be: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5-1650-v3-vs-Intel-Xeon-E3-1245-v3 (v3 vs v3). Also notice how the E5 you picked costs almost double the E3 you picked for this comparison, so a fair one would be with CPUs of the same cost more or less.
     
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    You are correct.. and that's why I suggested E5 to him because I understood he wanted to run 2 x GSA (no idea why I failed like that).. but even with 1 GSA + MassPlanner (uses fair amount of resources when you have many accounts). Not sure about FollowLiker.. but yea, I believe under that kind of load his CPU will die (but then again it depends how many threads he runs with GSA and how many accounts with Mass Planner).

    Also I chose that link because he said that he has v2 not v3.
     
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    So basically, 2 cores for each VMs?
     
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    $60 for a dedicated server with 32GB RAM, which Company is this?
     
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    Well technically there are 4 physical cores + 4 virtual cores.. So I don't know how you are going to make those VMs (KVM maybe?), but I'd go 2 cores for websites and 6 for tools. Also maybe.. 4GB RAM for websites and other for tools (I'm pretty sure you won't use all 28GB RAM, but still).
     
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    OVH (Don't hate me Diplomat, never had any troubles with all my little dedis in the past)
     
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    LOL.. naw man, but when you have any issues then may the Jah be with you, their support is horrible.. Also network (at least for me) sucked hard.
    I'm still a client yes with 1 VPS, but I have been PhoenixNAP (Secured Servers) client for years and they are the best hosting company (with their own datacenter(s?)).
    Super good network, super servers with super prices + amazing staff that's almost always for you (staff is online 24/7 via live chat etc). I can't praise them enough lol
     
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