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[Proof] Mass Money Makers is a waste of money

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by swipetek, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. swipetek

    swipetek Registered Member

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    You will have to bare with me because this is going to be a long post.

    A friend of mine purchased the "Mass Money Makers" system. To make this part of the story short, he allowed me to watch the videos.

    It didn't take me long to figure out what these guys are actually doing. Basically they tell you to register keyword rich domains with less then 50,000 actual competitors in Google. They say that you can rank for these keywords very quickly (which you can). This part of the course was very informational, but nothing new to me.

    After your niche sites are setup, they have you upload a pre created email template form that will collect visitors emails. When a member subscribes to the email, they are sent a series of emails asking them to buy the product you're promoting.

    The main part of the system is basically "directing" the search traffic to the optin page. So you're using the content to bring in the traffic, but converting them as an optin, and eventually a sale.

    Now usually I don't bash what others are doing, but this is different. These guys are selling a system knowing what is going to happen to all of their customers sites.

    I guess I should explain to you what the hell i'm talking about.

    Remember how I said the traffic that comes in via the search engine is redirected to an optin page?

    Check this out:
    Footprints are not a good idea when trying to go after SEO traffic, especially in Google. MMM customers MAY see 2 weeks (if their lucky) on the first page, and then google is going to boot them.

    Ok, here is fail number 2.

    MMM has their customers set the optin form on the index page. They have the user post content to /blog/ or whatever the user decides.

    How can you expect a site to rank with an email template that 1200+ other sites are using?

    I feel this system is so over hyped and it lacks attention to detail. Ask their customers who know nothing about SEO how much they're making.. I bet it's less then $100 / month. Why? Because it takes more then putting copied content on a site, with a blog and an optin form to stay ranked in google and make money.

    Just my opinion
     
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  2. cbnoob

    cbnoob Senior Member

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    I think the theory works, but like you say, it's hard to rank a site with only optin. However, if you do add some keyword rich content and place optin box on the sidebar, it will work
     
  3. swipetek

    swipetek Registered Member

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    Yes, I most definitely agree on the fact that you can put it on the side and make money. The methods they teach though are going to get all of their customers sites banned, and I can't just sit by and watch it happen without saying something.
     
  4. Longover

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    Here is my take on the method... and yes - I agree that the system (as it is
    laid out) will not work very well because of the holes...
    INDEX PAGE:
    The course tells you to use your squeeze page as the index page. This is a good
    idea for opt-in rates, but bad for SEO.
    +To improve your chances of ranking, I would throw an RSS excerpt from my internal
    blog bellow the opt-in section.
    +Make sure that your Title, h1-2-3 tags are covered, add some images with alt tags
    (can't remember if the course covered that stuff)
    +Add some content and drop your target keyword in there
    And that would be a start at getting your opt-in page to rank. Better yet, add a
    youtube video on your squeeze page - this would both be good for seo and conversions.

    As far as footprints go, I think that I would be more worried about people like me
    looking up sites by footprints and uncovering my hard work. I don't think that Google
    is going to be keen to this course's sites for awhile. Reason being that a lot of people
    won't even setup a site. I'm betting on the standard 2% to even take action.

    Aside from the opt-in page, the method is somewhat solid. It does lack a good
    explanation of off page SEO. What is described in the course is not really enough
    to compete for decent keywords. At least it's not the most efficient way.

    My short review of the course is that it is full of holes, but on par with most Internet
    marketing courses out there. Nothing stellar, but enough to get started.

    PS:
    Your friend should sign up to Blackhat world. I hear that you can get the course at a
    discount in the Downloads section.
     
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  5. digitali16

    digitali16 Registered Member

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    I agree with you guys and after looking over the matterial and using the uber slow software it was very disappointing indeed. I want get into the debate about search volume in all but I think the nu,bers on traffic travis or Market samurai are much more realistic as far as search volume. Also as everyone is saying I dont think those optin pages rankings will stick and the cookie cutter sites are just not fair to sell IMHO.

    However I have a silly theory here and this is not at all how the software is intended to be used but I think a good use might be to find some low competition KW with 0 or only 1 ad showing for them in search and build PPC campaigns around them perhaps generating traffic at a discount. Maybe you could tie that to a CPA or some affiliate offer but I am not sure they even mentioned that tactic. That is just my 2 cents but some of the outsource sites and the site for checking guys work was new to me as well.
     
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  6. swipetek

    swipetek Registered Member

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    That is another thing that bugged me about the course. The software they use does not show [Exact] searches. So someone sees the page get's 30,000 searches a month and thinks that is how many visitors they are going to get, when in reality [Exact] match is less then 200.

    As for the RSS feed on the optin page, that is actually a very good idea. There are many things you could do for the optin page to be more "SEO" effective, it's just these things are not taught in the course. I feel these are main points that should of not been left out, because customers are going to see no rankings whatsoever, and I wouldn't be surprised if they see instant sanbox's.

    Trust me, I am not talking out of my ass. I have been using the MMM method for almost 3 years with success. The only difference is I was not collecting emails, instead I was promoting businesses on shareasale that sell physical products. That is the main reason that I watched the course, because my buddy told me about their email optin approach.

    I have since implemented this method into my sites. I am using a custom coded script to send google/yahoo/msn to the content and the visitor to the email optin form.
     
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  7. swipetek

    swipetek Registered Member

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    That is another thing that bugged me about the course. The software they use does not show [Exact] searches. So someone sees the page get's 30,000 searches a month and thinks that is how many visitors they are going to get, when in reality [Exact] match is less then 200.

    As for the RSS feed on the optin page, that is actually a very good idea. There are many things you could do for the optin page to be more "SEO" effective, it's just these things are not taught in the course. I feel these are main points that should of not been left out, because customers are going to see no rankings whatsoever, and I wouldn't be surprised if they see instant sanbox's.

    Trust me, I am not talking out of my ass. I have been using the MMM method for almost 3 years with success. The only difference is I was not collecting emails, instead I was promoting businesses on shareasale that sell physical products. That is the main reason that I watched the course, because my buddy told me about their email optin approach.

    I have since implemented this method into my sites. I am using a custom coded script to send google/yahoo/msn to the content and the visitor to the email optin form.
     
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  8. swipetek

    swipetek Registered Member

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    Sorry lag caused multiple posts
     
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    swipetek Registered Member

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    Sorry lag caused multiple posts
     
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    Dhoviuz Junior Member

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    Thanks for the share, i wanted to buy this, but now im not
     
  11. swipetek

    swipetek Registered Member

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    Mods, can you remove the multiple posts, it really clutters the forum.