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Problems with a competitor

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zombie affiliate, Nov 10, 2011.

  1. zombie affiliate

    zombie affiliate Registered Member

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    I'm having problems with a local competitor leaving bad reviews on a (my) g places page, and the finding the bad reviews helpful. I know the competitor, and how shady the guy is. What should I do? It's becoming a pain in the ass, and could be effecting business. I know his domain isn't that old, and I don't want to take that route (doing whatever it takes to get g to de-index the site).

    I want a good way to get my point across, and scare the shit out of him. I want him to let him know that I know what he's been doing. I haven't negatively commented on his page, ever. I check his rankings once a week, that's it.

    It wouldn't bother me that much, but it's for my families business. The guy wrote a couple of bad reviews, and it sent us to the bottom of page 4 for all of our keywords. Took 4 weeks to get us back, and now we're at number 2. I play everything by the book with this listing, and work hard creating everything manually. We outrank him, and I offered to do his seo work a long time ago. He said no, and I'm sure he's salty about us outranking him in his business type.

    I saw it this business type as a revenue stream and went after it. I had no choice, I was going to make money off of that industry no matter what.

    I want to get my point acrossed in an extremely firm manner. let him know I'm not f'n around. How should I do this? How would you do this? How would bhw handle this situation?
     
  2. schwagoo

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    Show up at his office and confront him. In a stern (but business-like) manner, tell him that you suspect he has been leaving fake bad reviews. Tell him you have the ability to do the same, and this war will cause both companies to suffer.

    Do it in person, and do it today.
     
  3. zombie affiliate

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    The guy lives out of state now. I thought of sending him a letter, or making a phone call to him.
     
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    That guy got powned. But to be honest, if you have to stoop as low as leaving your competitors bad reviews in the hope that it will bring you more business, then your in the wrong game.

    @OP - I would go speak to your lawyer, get them to send him a C&D, full of details, threaten him with legal action if the matter continues.

    or hire a hitman... :eek:
     
  7. frozenocean

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    There must be threat and give him some knowledge too...If he is some kind of tough jark dan hire a hitman. I like the idea and want a youtube video of kicking that guy..
     
  8. zombie affiliate

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    I'm almost to that point. I'm sure he would shit a brick if I took a trip to his house.

    I want to tell him that I can see the ip address that the reviews were left by, and is there any way to really do that? I know he's not smart enough to use proxies. Everyone else does his dirty work for him, that's how he's always been. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know better either.

    I would rather watch his life fall apart then have him taken out. But I really don't want any of that either, I just want shit to stop.

    All good advice so far!
     
  9. memorex

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    Buisness is rough like this sometimes. The advice about hiring a lawyer and such are good, but useless in this case. I'd try to give the guy a beating or hire someone to if you're not up to it. Vandalism works too. Don't leave any evidence but make sure he knows why these things are happening. Hope that helps.
     
  10. the_demon

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    Harvest evidence and then sue him for libel and loss of business.
     
  11. zombie affiliate

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    How? I need more proof than what I have. I need some really good proof. Ip addresses or something. How would I see the ip address from reviews.
     
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    Yeah, this douche has earned to be tracked down and receive a lesson.

    But hey, things like this do happen in the world of biz, unfortunately.
     
  13. volund

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    The review sites should have that info but probably going to take at least a lawyer and possibly a court order to get it.
     
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    I'd contact the review page and tell them what you told us and ask them to request proof from the guy. If they refuse - tell them you are considering a legal action.
     
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    @OP: You would essentially have to get in touch with Google and threaten legal action for the review to get taken down. Only by lawsuit could you obtain the posters IP and then go after the individual.

    Expect this process to take some time.
     
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    You should phone the guy up and say you know what he is doing and that you will be forced to take legal action if he doesn't stop.
     
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    You can do like I did for a friend of mine. I made 7 sites other than the one he already had and ranked those all over the first page.

    Is there not a place where you can respond to the comments? If not put a response on your web site. Do not let it sit there unanswered.
     
  18. Icash42

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    Try answering to one of his newest slanders with a link to another review site (faked by you) asking why that other review contradicts his so much. That site ofcourse will log IPs.

    Or open a customer review/comment section on your real page and hope he starts spamming in there.
    When he did you send him a mail asking kindly wether it was him(including a link). In that mail you quote his slander slightly inaccurate so he will click the link to check what exactly he wrote. That way you get an IP/IP-range to compare to the spammers.

    Once that's done and you verified it's him you can contact him again and present proof.
     
  19. zombie affiliate

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    Yeah, I'll just beat ass and ask questions later.

    I know he's got some amateur hosting, could be easy to hack? I thought that could be a good way to get through to him.

    Fiverr gig 1,000 +1's that come from 2 ip adresses, that would f'n hurt him for sure.

    It took that guy 18 months to get a "you touched my 9 year old" review taken down from google. I could just bury the reviews, and I have a great way to get more reviews.

    Thanks for all the advice guys. Any ways to really mind f*** someone, revolver style? I have some ideas, but would like to expand.

    This guy is a piece of s***. I used to work for him. He let me go for no reason other than, I wouldn't do some of his dirty work. No contract, and he's mad because I offered to do his seo work and he turned me down.

    I never let the reviews go unanswered. I will give all those a tip that do local stuff, review momentum matters. It's got weight in the algo, all of the pushing back and forth shows it.

    Good idea, I will give that a try. Thanks again for every ones help.
     
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