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Problem with one of my affiliate deals

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by William702, Nov 19, 2017.

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  1. William702

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    Hey guys, I'm looking for some advice

    I started to promote a social media tool a few weeks ago. I did two small tests and so far 365 users have signed up and only 9 of them are paying. The subscriptions range from about $6 - $10 a month and I get a decent percentage of their spend at 30%

    The conversion is garbage because the app is not finished yet. A key feature that includes hashtags in posts is not working on one of the social networks, lol the tools namesake. So it's hard to promote it to people when the it does not work on the social network it was named after, it works on some of the others but not that one.

    Anyway I have come to find out the owner of the app has been putting aff links in front of peoples posts. The app allows you to schedule posts so lets say you set up posts for your eBay listings to go out. He puts his eBay partner id in front of every tweet so whenever a sale takes place he gets a small commission. We are only talking pennies but across all of the people making posts it does add up on a daily basis to a few bucks and like he says when its thousands of people it will be considerable. What he has done now is launched a fiverr section so people can post their gigs out on autopilot, however unbeknownst to them he is including his aff link at the front of every tweet so if they make a sale he gets the aff commission. Even if you are a paid member or a free member if you use the fiverr section to share gigs this guys aff link will be in front of it.

    I have voiced my concerns over it and he says he included a blurb in the terms to say that they use aff links, well to be honest it reads as though things he is promoting to you has aff links not the thing you promote we will be putting links in front of and earning more than you earn from your efforts. It rubbed me up the wrong way because I only just found out. The guy is offering me a deal to have my aff link put up there part of the time if I promote this. I told him no not to put my link up there as I dont know if that against the TOS of fiverr. I earn a few grand a month off of the fiverr aff program so I dont want to jeopardize it. I don't want people thinking I am strictly white hat by being cautious like that, as that's all it is, caution.

    To be honest I'm not sure If I am going to continue advising this guy or helping him because this seems pretty shady that he didn't tell me. I mean people do this sort of thing all the time. He offers a free version and like he said, that is what he gets out of the bargain. it's just the way he has gone about it that has pissed me off. another thing that pissed me off was his terrible offer. I tried to explain what I could bring to the table yet he did not get it and just banged on about his board and other partners.

    I have started tens of apps like this off and have sent over 30,000 paid subscription signups to various apps and sites that I promote to my followers as well as tens of thousands of free signups. I named 6 well known apps that I essentially started off for the owners. One of which was a finance company that I helped get brand awareness in the beginning and initial traction, that company sold for over 1 billion dollars. I told him all of that and he expected me to accept a deal for commission for the first 3 months on everything and then after that just on my 1st and 2nd tier going forward. I told him that on one site I signed up 16,000 people in my front line which went on to be 998,000 by my 9th level. The whole site only had 1.6 million users and I joined a year after it was started too. yet I was responsible for over 60% of the users up to that point.

    So I explained that hey if i am to put all of this work in and get you all of these users I want a fair cut going forward, not a tiny amount for a limited time. He keeps on banging on about investors and a board that he would not be able to OK anything like that with and I told him that's not my problem, if he has already promised most of the equity or profits away to people that are doing fuck all then that's his problem not mine. At the end of the day all of this happened before he mentioned the fact that aff links are going out in front of everything so now I have to take that into account. he has offered me a slice of that pie too but only for a limited time which as i explained to him i would be a rookie if I took a deal like that. I did want to use this app myself but now that I know this is happening I dont want o use it and make this guy money off the back of my gigs. If I dont want to use it how can I expect others to want to use it. To be honest it needs a lot of work still but the owner just keeps saying "the investors are not interested in it being perfect, they just want to see some sales" well they wont see any sales if its does not work properly!!!!! I dont see a key feature as being perfection either lol.

    So I guess the purpose of this thread is to get some advice from anyone as to how I should proceeded. Also to put the idea out there for someone to make a tool for promoting things on social media and putting an aff link in front of it. give that tool out to thousands of people for free and sit back and enjoy the commissions. Again though not sure about how other sites like fiverr would look at this. I'm sure lots of you have thought about this technique before and if you are doing it good for you. I dont have anything against it, just the shady way this guy tried to keep it from me.

    If you can make an app for fiverr users to be able to set up posts on social media on autopilot, you could then have the app insert your aff link at the start of every post and you will be quids in if you have thousands of users posting out their gigs to their followers.

    I think I should just walk away from it now so I dont waste any more time on it. What do you think?
     
  2. HoNeYBiRD

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    Why are you promoting a half-ready app, where one of the basic features isn't working? :)
    It's not like there would be a shortage of social media tools you can promote.
     
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    Good question.

    Basically the feature that is now not working, was working on half the posts going out. Hashtags were going out on half of them, it was explained to me that twitter allow some to go though with hashtags blah blah blah but then they stopped. At the end of the day it does what it says it does but that bug means that only ones followers would see a post as opposed to it showing up in the results with the tags in there. Which makes a hell of a difference in terms of traffic. This tool does seem to have some features that I have not seen anywhere else which is why I was interested in using it myself but soon came to realize that with the recent changes it meant hashtags did not get recognized and included. I am told this will be fixed shortly but I am less inclined to believe that now with all this other stuff. The other thing is that the guy seemed really genuine and he is sort of goofy and is kind of shy, not the sort of person you would expect to be doing stuff in the background or to have another agenda, he is an older (50 ish) guy who seems really chill and lacked confidence. What I am trying to say is I trusted him in the beginning and now not so much.

    I asked for a contract as opposed to the affiliate terms on the site that could change and he has agreed to give me a contract but even then this is looking like it will be too much of a headache with him wanting lofty targets for the ongoing commission and in his own words a lifetime commitment. If his service is shit then no amount of work my end will result in that. You are right its not like there is a shortage of these things. It's just the features of it were pretty cool, I come to find out its pretty cool for him in the background as well with these aff links. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time on this already for little to no return. There are a lot of promises that the features will return shortly but I dont know how he can expect me to promote it when I know that key thing isn't working. At the end of the day the app still works fine and its only one of the networks that it does not work fully on, that's the point. People are using it and people are paying for it but it would be a hell of a lot better with it working. Because all of this is up in the air I took down the posts I had promoting it for now so no new people are being sent there right now.

    This is my problem, I can promote it and have been promoting it and people are using it. a conversion of 2.5 - 3% is not the worst thing in the world, especially as the traffic I send is free and takes me just writing a post and pinning it to one of my groups, pages.teams etc. I could make a video or blog describing how I would use it to promote one of my products and then show that to my followers. The conversions would triple or quadruple easily but I cant help but think that i'm not getting a fair deal here. Also do I want part of it if I dont agree with it. that's the question. I still dont know if what is being done with the aff links is allowed or if it would be a breach of the TOS on these other sites like fiverr and eBay, he wants to do the same thing with amazon and etsy too so with all of these sites comes more headaches trying to juggle the TOS and keep all of them happy. It wont be long before he breaches something and I dont want to get involved in that. I also dont want to reach out to fiverr and ask them because I dont want to bring their attention to anything because that's not right. If this guy has found a good way to generate an income then that's cool, I'm not going to interfere with it, I just might not want to be apart of it that's all.

    I'm not going to lie, greed is playing a factor here. I do want to use the app because its really good and has great repeat features so you can literally write one post and have it repeat for years which I have not seen on anything like this, but its still early days and things seem to be changing a lot with it and what else do I not know about. I have spent a hell of a lot of time advising this guy for free. DONT ASK ME WHY.. because I dont know! maybe greed would be the best answer to that one too. I have to confess I'm angry at the fact i would be getting less than 1% of the potential income regardless of how much I make and if its profitable or not. That urks me and it urks me even more that this guy does not seem to get why I'm urked lol.

    In trying to answer your question why I am promoting it but I cant give you a good answer. that's probably a sign to not bother with it. :)
     
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    For me I think it would depend on a couple of things, do you need the revenue generated by promoting it? If you can afford to dismiss the money then you have the option to stop promoting it because of how you feel about the product.
    If you need the income and decide to carry on then I don’t think anyone would discredit you for doing so, as you said most of the app works.
    I think you’re in a good position to negotiate a firmer agreement for more money but failing that would it be worth your time by developing a similar app?
     
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    Great advice, thank you. I guess I dont need the revenue strictly speaking but who know what could happen to my other revenue streams so I never like to just disregard something because of that. I would always like more money to be able to do more with. I think I will try and negotiate something else. I'm not a developer nor do I personally know any so I would be going out on a limb approaching anyone. I would rather work with this guy, no one likes getting cut out but if he keeps his hands tied like he has been with the so called board and investors and lets them dictate what happens I dont think its going to end well for him. I would probably not try and make something like he has anyway, he has tried to do too many things with it. it could be a money making machine if he just stuck to the fundamentals.

    I'll make an update after I have had a chat with him.
     
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    Run bro. Sounds like that dude is doing cookie stuffing the stupid way. It won't be long until EPN catches and bans him, and then they don't have the capital to pay their affiliates (you).
     
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    Fuck me did I just read a book?

    If it's not working yet, don't promote it. Move on.
     
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    I'm going to end that right now in an amicable way so that he can go about his business. Thank you for your advice, I'll be honest if you guys had not told me about that I would never have even heard of it so glad I asked.

    lol yeah I did go into too much detail, I was thinking out loud.
     
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    This sounds like a scam
     
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    Suppose I make a gig on Fiverr for 5$ and tell some college students to buy the gig with my affiliate link. I get 50$ from conversion and pay them back 5$ + fiverr fees. Can this work for some passive Income?
     
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    Wrong thread, this is a 2 year old thread about something completely different, please be sure to post in relevant threads.
     
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    I would walk away to be honest and learn a valuable lesson.

    "Never promote something where there is only one merchant. That way you always have choices if a merchant closes or the deal becomes bad".
     
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    Thank you for your input however this was quite some time ago and I think the thread is only visible again as someone posted in it by mistake today. @MisterF @BassTrackerBoats @Zwielicht is there any chance this thread could be closed please. Thank you :)
     
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