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PR Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by veheme, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. veheme

    veheme Elite Member

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    A site of mine has more than 4k backlinks to it (article directories, social bookmarks, forum links, wiki links, web 2.0 links etc.) and it has 0 PR.

    I saw a site which I had already reported and it had 10 links. Its PR is 4. Which makes me wonder...

    How do people do this? Is it only a matter of getting a high PR link and then blasting that link with tens of thousands of links in order to pass the link juice?
     
  2. codo3500

    codo3500 Regular Member

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    Only Do*Follow links pass on Link Juice. Odds are the majority of your links are no*follow.
     
  3. CloneX

    CloneX Power Member

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    You are wrong as hell, sir.

    To OP:

    Chances are the site has dropped some links since the last PR update.. Or it used some other BH method to fake the PR.

    As for your site, forget PR, it's just a number introduced by Google to keep webmasters busy with increasing it. As long as you provide quality to the end user, Google will rank you higher, no matter what your PR is.
     
  4. veheme

    veheme Elite Member

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    I actually am not concerned with the ranking. I'm ranking top 3 for almost everything. The PR question is simply a question out of curiosity.

    So any guess on how can 10 links push your site to PR4? Any methods he/they possibly might be using?
     
  5. monk13

    monk13 Power Member

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    the largest competitor in my city, he ranks for seo {cityname} and {cityname} seo, is a half retarded whitehatter that thinks the pinnacle of seo is publicly fellating matt cunts on his blog and getting a backlink from it, with his entire link profile being backlinks from cunt's blog and a (very)few backlinks from comments on friend's blogs, he has a pr of 4 and ranks like crazy

    the craziest part of it all...
    he is selling links from that blog (trying to anyway, nobody has bought one in over 4 years)
     
  6. CloneX

    CloneX Power Member

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    Sorry.. double post.. BHW is getting lots of errors..
     
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  7. CloneX

    CloneX Power Member

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    A few methods I know of:

    - 301 redirect to a high PR domain
    - Domain changed, and old domain redirected to new domain
    - High authority backlinks (Check the 10 backlinks he has)
    - More backlinks that you can see (check multiple sources like Majestic, ahrefs etc to find more hidden links he has..)
    - Well managed internal and external links

    Just wait until the next PR update in June to see how high PR changes. If it drops massively, then you can be sure it was somehow forged. If not, you might be missing something here.
     
  8. codo3500

    codo3500 Regular Member

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    While your points here are correct, mine sure as hell wasn't wrong. Google has openly stated on many occassions that only Do*Follow links will pass on PR. While in theory no*follow links will obviously help in ranking (as we've all obviously seen in practice), they DO NOT pass PR. He is simply wanting to pass PR, as such, he needs Do*Follow links.

    If you're that desperate for this, get some Manual Do*Follow Blog Commenting done, this has helped me jump sites up to PR3-4 plenty of times. Lately I've also been using Blackhatlinks.com (and no, I'm not affiliated with them) as they have Do-Follow and even High PR Do-Follow packages. They can get quite expensive however.
     
  9. bennyboyccl

    bennyboyccl Junior Member

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    No... You are wrong sir.
    No follow will in fact help with rankings but in my experience it will never help with raising PR. Do follow links will help with rankings a lot more and help with increasing PR.
     
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    assphuck Senior Member

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    You checked the guys homepage backlinks, but what about the backlinks to his internal pages? Good PR on internal pages will surely push the homepage PR up rather quickly if the internal linking structure is good.
     
  11. JellyDonuts

    JellyDonuts BANNED BANNED

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    How old are the domains? In my experience older domains are a lot easier to increase the PR on. I have a domain that's more than a year old that was more or less inactive for 8 months, then I went back, optimized the site, and did very aggressive link building on it (spamming tiers only). Within a few weeks it was a PR 4.

    Meanwhile, I have a newer site (3 months old) that I'm building links on pretty heavily and its still a zero. I've been doing basically the same thing on both sites, so I think that age plays a role in this. Also, PR is not updated that often so you should give it some time.
     
  12. veheme

    veheme Elite Member

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    It's probably the time factor but it is almost a year old. I may just be impatient haha.
     
  13. monk13

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    probably the backlinks you're not seeing were from a network like bmr that increased his pr, but got deindexed (so you now do not see them)
    since pr is only calculated 2x a year for each site there can be a time delay from deindexing of pr source links and pr dropping
     
  14. CloneX

    CloneX Power Member

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    Search Google for "socialseo nofollow passes pr" and read their case study. It'll change your thinking about nofollow links, :)
     
  15. bigeazy

    bigeazy Regular Member

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    For me PR is all about content + backlinks, this is from a test of 200+ sites.

    The sites I created on Jan 25 hit PR2 during the Feb PR update. The sites I created between Jan 27 - 28 are PR1.

    For backlinking I had an even mixture of ******** vs. nofollow. All content was unique. At that time all sites had between 30 - 40 pages indexed. Over 80% of the indexed pages were either PR 0 or 1.
     
  16. codo3500

    codo3500 Regular Member

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    That case study never actually gives out the final Page-Rank of the 2x domains used. It simply shows that no-follow will help rankings.

    Rankings != PR. It's completely different, and this point is null.