1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

PR is finaly dead now.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by LinkBuildingServices, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. LinkBuildingServices

    LinkBuildingServices Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    605
    Likes Received:
    85
    Home Page:
    So I suppose, everybody heard that Google is not going to update toolbar PageRank in the future. Even if PR was mostly rudimentary metrics for vast majority of SEO community it was at least pretty convinient to generally differentiate some groups of backlink pages with it. PR was just one of many site classification factors. But still, it was the most distinguished and remarkable one.

    Anyway, PR will be absolutely useless in the nearest future. So I want to ask you guys what "main classificator" type of metrics you use now/plan to use in future? I believe that moz DA/PA are in favor, but this is combination of parameters. Having one major clasificator brings more ease and intuitive understanding to whole link building. So what parameter do you use now instead of PR?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. Conor

    Conor Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2012
    Messages:
    3,373
    Likes Received:
    5,437
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    South Africa
    Home Page:
    Well it's not exactly "dead". They just won't tell us what our actual pagerank is anymore.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 14
  3. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2013
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    7,531
    Occupation:
    ZLinky2Buy SEO Services
    Location:
    ⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩
    Home Page:
    It's been 12 years since I've checked PR for any site.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  4. SkyrocketSEO

    SkyrocketSEO Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2012
    Messages:
    4,351
    Likes Received:
    11,287
    Occupation:
    travəlɪŋ
    Location:
    Aibres
    Home Page:
    People with brain will know the quality when they see it. People with no actual knowledge on how things work will do what they used to do. They will buy links on fake sites.
    For example, they buy a PR8 home page link on Fiverr and they think it is real PR8. Same goes for DA. They don't know what is faked and what is real DA, so you can continue fooling your clients, don't worry
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 9
  5. JustUs

    JustUs Power Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    452
    Even search engines like Yandex that publically claim they do not use links for ranking use links for ranking. They just do not make that information available. Pagerank is really nothing more that a determination of the number and quality of links pointing to a url. There are ways of generally determining the number of links that point to a site that have nothing to do with Ahrefs, or any other link counter.

    While the pagerank algo expires in the not to distant future, and Google will not be giving pagerank, the links will remain important for some time. You just have to do more work.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  6. domainingin

    domainingin Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    182
    Occupation:
    Domainer
    Location:
    Seychelles
    Home Page:
    If I had only one metric to choose I would take Majestic Trust ratio!

    CF / TF ratio:

    it gives a real picture of the trust of a domain. While CF counts just the links (same as PR), TF is actually a reliable metric as Majestic used human SEO experts to judge the trust of a site while analyzing the Majestic Million of domains.


    Looking on the ratio between CF and TF one can very quickly filter out low quality and spammy domains before analyzing them by hand.

    Cheers

    Dan
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 7
  7. Nut-Nights

    Nut-Nights Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,712
    Likes Received:
    2,108
    Location:
    Buy Website
    Home Page:
    Thanks for this.
     
  8. tony_d

    tony_d Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2013
    Messages:
    2,581
    Likes Received:
    3,164
    Location:
    1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View CA
    This is very close to my view.

    The higher the TF and lower the CF multiple (of TF), the 'better' the site is, in my opinion.

    We tested buying dropped domains just based on numbers, calculated on the basis set out above, and not even checking the links. We compiled a PBN node of nearly 50 domains, and ranked a few low-medium comp terms as 'easily' as we would have with thoroughly checked domains (anchors, archive.org, backlinks, etc), and importantly, those rankings were unaffected in this last penguin update.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 6
  9. domainingin

    domainingin Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    182
    Occupation:
    Domainer
    Location:
    Seychelles
    Home Page:
    Exactly, if you take the Median of Majestic's million of 1.8125 and just look at the domains with CF/TF ratio below 1.8, you can be sure that the domain is not spammy. We did analyze it with thousands of domains and never had a spammy domain, if the CF/TF ratio was below 1.8. The closer the CF/TF ratio to zero, the better the site is.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  10. Nut-Nights

    Nut-Nights Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,712
    Likes Received:
    2,108
    Location:
    Buy Website
    Home Page:
    So basically we have to shift on TF and CF ? Got any results with High Comp keywords ?
     
  11. ResellerPanel

    ResellerPanel Junior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    26
    I Don't fool my clients, but when they give preference to PR/DA over quality, i feeling like FOOL myself.
     
  12. ResellerPanel

    ResellerPanel Junior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    26
    You said exactly what it has to be.
    Yes, BUT its a plus if you get Niche TF is more.



     
  13. ZennoBlaster

    ZennoBlaster Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2014
    Messages:
    1,025
    Likes Received:
    306
    This must have an impact on sellers where PR is the main selling point of their services, i.e. Sape, PBN link sellers, guest posts (think of Fiverr, etc).
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  14. domainingin

    domainingin Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    182
    Occupation:
    Domainer
    Location:
    Seychelles
    Home Page:
    If you have a site with DA 35, CF 40 and TF 10, you CF/T ratio is 4 and you can be sure, that's spam. If TF is near equal CF or higher, your ratio goes below 1.8. and you can "trust" the site, still needs hand check, but by looking at the CF/TF ratio you can quickly sort out low quality domains by just looking on the number.

    Check pixelvillas*com
    Google Chrome.jpg

    You see that without www. it has a CF/TF ratio above 1.8 and if you hand check the site has 4 registrars and 2 drops and see at archive com
    https://web.archive.org/web/20140208065742/http://www.pixelvillas.com/
    you see Chinese Spam, even with a nice PA/DA, the site is worth nothing.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  15. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2011
    Messages:
    8,802
    Likes Received:
    6,371
    Home Page:
    Yea thats true. Some of my sites sell links and posts based on PR. But we'll just move on to other metrics as discussed above I guess.
     
  16. lord1027

    lord1027 Elite Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,174
    Likes Received:
    2,222
    IDK, a lot of customers will have no idea PR is outdated.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  17. Aty

    Aty Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    5,411
    Likes Received:
    3,699
    Home Page:
  18. francis1017

    francis1017 Supreme Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,296
    Likes Received:
    304
    Is this true? I bought from a PBN seller here with a very low TF-1 and CF-14, DA-21, PA 22 (one of the PBN).
    But according to the report that I received it has a bunch of backlinks from an authority site.
    Well what can you say?
     
  19. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,922
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Occupation:
    Peeping Tom
    Location:
    Florida
    My #1 metric is site traffic, period.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  20. luisk

    luisk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2014
    Messages:
    390
    Likes Received:
    110
    Occupation:
    Entrepreneur
    Location:
    Some place in South america
    You are right, a lot of "costumers" won't know. (Most of them)