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Powerful secret ranking trick / check if still alive?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dannyhw, Mar 25, 2014.

  1. dannyhw

    dannyhw Senior Member

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    I never tried this and I have no idea if it still works, but I just remembered hearing that the SEO guy at a very well known site I worked at was doing it (for his BH side hustle, not our company of course).

    If I remember correctly, what he did was he had a primary domain and brand name that he used to target a niche we'll call "widgets". He'd then built a list of keywords like this:

    Code:
    {brand}
    {brand}.com
    {brand} widgets
    {brand}.com widgets
    {brand} widgets review
    ?so on
    You get the idea. I guess you could look up a popular brand on keyword planner and get ideas for the types of searches that would naturally come from having a reputable brand. You'll see other common stuff like "www.{brand}" or "{brand} jobs", "{brand} coupons", "{brand} employment". You get the idea.

    What he did then was flooded google with searches for those keywords, and he was able to rank #1 for "widgets", "blue widgets", etc. I had never heard of or imagined such a thing but the guy was a very legit whitehat consultant, especially on the technical end. Working as an engineer I almost always think SEO guys at big companies are worthless idiots getting by on their ivy league degrees, but he was on point.

    The theory is that to Google, these searches indicate a level of public knowledge and notability of a brand and its relation to a niche. This translates to an increase in some metric which I can only assume plays heavily into domain authority. It really makes sense, but it seems like it would also be super easy to game. It might work, or it might have worked in the past and died without many people knowing about it.

    Anybody willing to do a case study? I don't even know what a bulletproof way to inflate search counts would be but I'm probably gonna try some methods for other purposes.
     
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    jaselc Regular Member

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    What do you mean by: What he did then was flooded google with searches for those keywords?
     
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    You mean he paid people to search for his low volume brand keywords, thus convincing google that his site/brand was authorative?

    it sounds feasible, I have thought of a similar thing before- and probably more so, actually clicking the site and not returning- this showing google the site is in fact authorative.

    but I don't know, you would have to do it on such a large scale for it to have any effect.
     
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    TheUnborn Elite Member

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    What not do a case study yourself,very interested in this
     
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    exactly, its the best way to test if there is any truth in it.
     
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    HomensdaLuta Junior Member

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    this could be done using hundreds of proxies i guess with some automation.
     
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    exactly, its the best way to test if there is any truth in it.​


     
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    Interesting idea, I hope you manage to do a case study some time soon. Good luck OP.
     
  10. dannyhw

    dannyhw Senior Member

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    Proxies or Tor would be easy, but there's also iframing search partners and stuff like that. I really have no idea what sort of searches would actually count towards the volume used.

    I'm debating doing some kind of case study, but the thing is even if it still works I feel like they'd just take search volume out of the equation altogether. It's so decoupled from all the other ranking factors that they wouldn't even need to think of a way to compensate for turning it off.
     
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    This could easily be done via 1000's of proxies and an automated bot that keeps searching every few hours for a combination of the branded keywords. The only problem is, you would probably have to constantly do it to maintain the rankings. Once the searches stop, the rankings will probably topple down to where they were. Plus, I'm sure this sort of thing would trigger a manual review of some kind (pure speculation on my part). And let's not forget social media. There would have to be some legitimate traction on all the social media platforms in conjunction with searches for Google to take it seriously.

    A case study would be great!
     
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    Hmm sounds interesting. Only one way to find out...
     
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    Looks good, combine this method with social media blast and it may work better.
     
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    I did have a piece of software I tried, it found your page on google no matter how far down then clicked the listing, changed proxie and repeated.
     
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    And was there any results from doing so?
     
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    Good !

    Interesting one .. lets try this
     
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    Mind sharing what software it was?
     
  18. rob1977

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    I had this same discussion with someone a few months back.

    Yes I believe it will work. But you are raising a new keyword. A new keyword that no one searches for ( otherwise it would be a keyword already) when you stop flooding the web with traffic to raise the keyword. Where does the value come from? No one searched for it before you gamed. No one will search for it afterwards.

    This will surely only convince a client that you were able to get them to number one for that keyword.

    Now if your talking about gaming an established keyword in this way, now that is interesting, however I be temporary unless it maintained that level of activity naturally.

    Worth some research definitely