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[POLL] What to look for when buying an SEO link building service?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aldis, Feb 12, 2015.

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What to look for when buying an SEO link building service?

  1. How safe a service is

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  2. A service features and claims

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  3. The price of a service

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  4. The customer reviews and/or testimonials

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  5. How fast a service is completed

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  6. The reputation of the seller in the BHW forum

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  7. Tangible proof that the service provides good results

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  8. Other (please explain in a reply below)

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  1. aldis

    aldis Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    When looking to buy an SEO link building service, you might need to filter out some services based on what you believe is the most important asset of an SEO service. With so many threads and so many options in the BHW marketplace, this is something we all do, consciously or not.

    What is it that you value the most in SEO service? Is it safeness (white-hat vs black-hat) what you praise the most, or is it the price, or the testimonials, or how fast the turn-around is, etc...

    Your opinion is highly appreciated!
     
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  2. DIe$el

    DIe$el Regular Member

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    I would say that you need to consider all the factors listed in the poll while choosing the seo link building service.
     
  3. aldis

    aldis Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    All of them should be considered. However, what's the most important one from that list? There might be one that you give more predominance than the rest of the factors.
     
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    Most of them, what I will be looking for in the future is the history and trust of the BHW seller!! I ran through all orders I placed in the BST (Almost all) during the last 6 months, and what I found out was, that some service providers keep a high quality service and their links / work stick for a long time while others seems to run a short term business and all their work will be vanished after less than 1 months.

    So it will depend also on what you're looking for.
     
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    Reputation of the seller. Without a doubt. Everything else can be a lie or worthless. A sellers reputation takes real results and time to acquire. Also don't confuse "reputation" with comments in their sales thread that are suspiciously positive.
     
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    Interesting. That's specially important when the seller is offering black-hat links. Those type of links tend to last very short, and so the influence they have in your rankings.


    Great insight. I can't remember when I purchased something here without first looking into the seller's reputation. Bigbuddy's BST threads are a clear evidence of this. Everyone knows the exquisite quality of his services and how respected he is here on BHW.
     
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    when you're buying something make sure their service is legit. And of course start with a small package and once you find that its completely safe and legit then you can go for higher package.
     
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    If I was buying a seo service my first stop is their grammar on the sales thread. My second stop is testimonials and reviews from reputable members, not new or EGG accounts as most sellers use to boost sales. My final stop is results of the service aka proof.
     
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  9. aldis

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    So safety then. Great to hear!


    That's great information, and the grammar of the sales thread is definitely important. I mean, if you're serious about your product/service, then your sales pitch should be written by a professional, or at least have someone to proofread what you wrote.
     
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    #1 is safety by default.

    #2 thing I do is look at the accounts of people leaving the best reviews. I normally see sales threads where I'll see a streak of accounts, all registered within the same 3-6 month time frame, all with less than 50 posts, then I will click on everyone one of those people to see where they posted previously. I've eliminated a lot of sellers this way. Cause I'll regularly find accounts where a person has 8 posts, and 3 or 4 of those 8 posts are in 1 sales thread.

    #3 in alignment to the previous, I look for people posting the line, "service looks great, just marking for future use so I don't forget". That shit is shady as hell. There are a few top sellers on here who have A LOT of posts like that. People with 2-3 year old accounts bumping a thread to "mark" it. And I wonder "you've been on this forum for years and still don't know how to BOOKMARK a thread? you're gonna BUMP it so it disappears in a few hours ... how the hell is that gonna help you 'not forget'"?! It's obvious (to me) that seller is using dummy accounts to bump their own service. If I see any of this or #2 patterns most of the time I'll scratch a person off the list. Or I'll order then leave an honest review if I think a service is FOS.

    #4 I look for bluename clients or old yellows posting SCREENSHOTS of rankings. For example, CeasarSEO at Warrior Forum (service shutdown now but you can still see what I mean) he had MANY old clients posting screenshots and details about how well they were ranking. Which is why I used him for many years. And he had tons of repeat sales as well which is another huge thing I look for.

    #5 the sales page. The more cartoony a salespage looks the less likely I am to order a thing from it. Sellers say they do this to be "fun" but it's stupid. This isn't a gaming or movie forum it's a marketing forum. Learn how to copyright. And I'll tell you how you can be "fun" or look "fun". Try to be unique and rather than waste all your time making a lame ass movie / game based salespage.... try putting that time into the results you deliver for your customers. That's how you make a service "fun".

    #6 how the seller responds to complaints. I read these very carefully. The seller should never try to shift accountability. If I see a smarter marketer I know, who I know knows how to make good sites, using a service and not getting any results month after month, and the seller keeps trying to blame everything but his own shitty work, again, this is a huge red flag. I like guys who are accountable and willing to accept responsibility.

    #7 transparency. It's perfectly fine if you don't offer samples or reports. Especially if you're selling PBN links. But if you intentionally leave very critical shit off your sales page, mislead or misrepresent anything in anyway, I don't trust you and I'm not using you.

    #8 this is almost unheard of. And again I hate to bring up CeasarSEO but till this day he's the only provider I know of who ever did this. He intentionally rejected roughly 15% of all new orders and clients. If they were new members, people he couldn't identify or trust, he had no problem refunding their orders and rejecting their campaigns. That shit was genius. If I see a seller doing THAT, I'm 100xs more likely to wanna order. Cause like I said, almost no sellers on BHW even think of screening clients on here. I have no idea why cause it doesn't just make your network / links safer, but it's an excellent marketing tool and shows me that you're a smart fucker who knows what he's doing. It genuinely scares me when I see a newly registered member with 4 posts ordering a very popular PBN service and the seller won't think twice about taking their order. You have NO IDEA who that person is. If they work for Google, if they're a competitor trying to take down your network and I wish more sellers would start doing this. SCREEN YOUR FRICKN CLIENTS PEOPLE.

    There are lots of other things I look for but those are things I pay most attention to.

    -BB
     
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    I want a trusted, and good reviewed service with good results. Also safe!
     
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    I think in link building the most important part is report. A previous report pattern or reports with links will help you to identify the stuff they are going to create for you. If you are going to choose spam link building (complete black hat) then only TAT becomes an important factor. But, yes if someone is getting 8 out of 10 for customer reviews that will be okay. 9 out of 10, I'll say good.
    I have seen few people asking to rank all keywords ( for instance 10 out of 10) to first page (or position) that is exactly next to impossible. Some newbies say if I am ranking for a month, I must rank all the years just after a month of SEO ( that is really a joke until you have found a good keyword, and unless you don't have that keyword in the domain). Most of the SEO services are focused only on rankings instead of focusing on both ranking and sales.
    And yes, you forgot to add whether the linkbuilding service is indexing your links properly or not. If links are created and they are not getting indexed it will be a bullshit.
    As far as payment is concerned anything between 150$ -3k$ for 3-30 keywords is okay. No one will be able to provide a good linkbuilding service for a new website at 150$ as for a new website press release is must( that is what I think).
    You must also need to confirm that whether the domain (on which they are going to create backlinks for you) is indexed on Google or not. This also happens with few SEO services but they are rare in number.
     
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    That's an amazing list! Seller's interaction with new customers and negative feedback is definitely a great way to evaluate them.


    So basically a combination of safeness and tangible proof that the service provides good results. Great!


    Hmm... Interesting. Is a sample report really that important for a link building service? I mean, I'd rather focus on results and see ranking improvement screenshots or any other tangible proof the seller may provide to backup his claims.
     
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    If you are going for PBN or Black hat SEO, no its not that important. But, if you are going for organic SEO or white hat SEO, I will say yes. Suppose if someone says that he is working hard creating links manually for you and the cost per link is around 1-8$ or more (i.e. for large packages above 300$). And, if he will use spun content or can say same 30-50 words in all your links, how that is going be good for you. No screencast can prove this to you. On the other hand screen cast of any site overview tool will be good, for black hat SEO and PBN. I also focused on sample report or report pattern because if an SEO service provider had promised you to provide a report and if they won't be able to deliver it as sample you can ask to rework up to some extent. The fact is 85% of people who go for white hat SEO ask for a sample report first or for reporting pattern. You can also rank once in Google quickly if links for your site will be created in adult niche domain with huge traffic and but God knows better, who will save your achieved rank to tank. I have seen a few adult sites having PR less than 1 and with huge alexa ranking.
     
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    What about the money-back guarantee? Is that something you highly consider when buying a link building service?
     
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    i looking safety & guarantee
     
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    For me it is safety is the #1 most important factor, being "tangible proof" the 2nd important factor.
     
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    This is quite tricky. I saw a company that was providing 100% refund after few months of recurring work (refund was for all the months together), also they were providing a healthy report to clients. Now, at the end of month while reporting if keywords goes down a bit, resellers (also site owners) claimed for refund. At the moment company is providing only 10-15% refund on package above 600$.
    If someone is working manually for you, and you see regular upward movement and just once ranking goes down you must not leave him. But, yes if someone is not delivering report or work as promised then 100% refund or rework becomes must.

     
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    Also, as mentioned above I think safety is the only part one should keep focus on cause even if you won't rank and marketing will be done in your niche related sites, you will get huge sales.
     
  20. aldis

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    I agree. Satisfaction guarantees, no-risk guarantees, money-back guarantees and other guarantees of that nature are extremely tricky when applied to SEO services. It's very delicate matter, since in SEO no one can actually guarantee a specific outcome or a specific ranking spot. Those who do, are not only lying, but also going against Google's guidelines.