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Because complicated structure, only Poles can understand. This is simplicied list, real list have 40-80 types of companies in each rate level:
1,5% - for agriculture
3% - for selling products from other shops
5% - for selling author's rights
8,5% - for anything else not mentioned in other stakes
12% - for IT programmers
14% - for medicans
17% - for agency stuff, mostly insurance
19% - stake for any companies that want to deduct expenses
12% - for employment to 31k usd/year
32% - for employment bigger than 31k usd/year
4% - if you earn too much, like 260k/year add this for ... disabled people
Yes, these are rates to different business category. Tax office is only waiting to your mistake and smash you with higher stakes + fee + %
Now the most cruel, when starting a company:
1. From first day pay $100/m for health insurance
2. You have 6 months to not pay social insurance, later it's $329/m. You have 24 months with that stake
3. Final stake after 30 months is $412/m
So you see, it's clear. You pay $512/m just because you exist. Forget to test SaaS with 0 income.
You need to have always $512 and it's minimum. Medical insurance in reality is 4,5%-9% and I heard about programmers paying 10k/m
In the whole European Union, beside maybe Spain, there is no such stupid system when you pay even you not earned a single dollar.
What if you not pay? Tax office will wait 12 months and they will take it themself from your accounts with % and call you to add you also some nice fee. Yeah, even mini company without income in Poland is debt generator.
In other countries in Europe, we have smaller tax systems like 2-5 levels maximum.
But still, if they are not paying social/health insurance forced from $0, they have stupid % like 45% of income tax + % for insurance.
Nothing weird, Asia is winning with Europe.
30% of German companies planning and actualy moving outside Europe because complicated taxation system and Green Deal agenda making electricity cost insane. Same in Poland. Big companies moving outside Europe, small self-employment companies are running into gray zone.
I was thinking too, but I have older parents here. It's not cool to leave them for last 20-30y of their life.
Stripe Atlas? Forget, European tax office know instantly you have it
Company in other country? Same like above.
But it's not only my personal problem, but major problem in European Union. We are falling, we are just on the edge of economical disaster.
1,5% - for agriculture
3% - for selling products from other shops
5% - for selling author's rights
8,5% - for anything else not mentioned in other stakes
12% - for IT programmers
14% - for medicans
17% - for agency stuff, mostly insurance
19% - stake for any companies that want to deduct expenses
12% - for employment to 31k usd/year
32% - for employment bigger than 31k usd/year
4% - if you earn too much, like 260k/year add this for ... disabled people
Yes, these are rates to different business category. Tax office is only waiting to your mistake and smash you with higher stakes + fee + %
Now the most cruel, when starting a company:
1. From first day pay $100/m for health insurance
2. You have 6 months to not pay social insurance, later it's $329/m. You have 24 months with that stake
3. Final stake after 30 months is $412/m
So you see, it's clear. You pay $512/m just because you exist. Forget to test SaaS with 0 income.
You need to have always $512 and it's minimum. Medical insurance in reality is 4,5%-9% and I heard about programmers paying 10k/m
In the whole European Union, beside maybe Spain, there is no such stupid system when you pay even you not earned a single dollar.
What if you not pay? Tax office will wait 12 months and they will take it themself from your accounts with % and call you to add you also some nice fee. Yeah, even mini company without income in Poland is debt generator.
In other countries in Europe, we have smaller tax systems like 2-5 levels maximum.
But still, if they are not paying social/health insurance forced from $0, they have stupid % like 45% of income tax + % for insurance.
Nothing weird, Asia is winning with Europe.
30% of German companies planning and actualy moving outside Europe because complicated taxation system and Green Deal agenda making electricity cost insane. Same in Poland. Big companies moving outside Europe, small self-employment companies are running into gray zone.
I was thinking too, but I have older parents here. It's not cool to leave them for last 20-30y of their life.
Stripe Atlas? Forget, European tax office know instantly you have it
Company in other country? Same like above.
But it's not only my personal problem, but major problem in European Union. We are falling, we are just on the edge of economical disaster.
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