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PLEASE HELP ADVICE NEEDED!!! My installs with revenyou have dropped drastically!!!

Discussion in 'Pay Per Install' started by greengodfather, Sep 26, 2015.

  1. greengodfather

    greengodfather Newbie

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    Guys i need your help, but Let me first explain the stuation, it all started back in like feburary when i read "irish souls" thread on ppi, so i thought i would give it a try as it seemed like a profitable method and so i invested in the "blaster suite" (which are super cool!), and uploaded some videos for the niche that i chose after i did some keyword research and presto!, within hours i was getting hits and installs, when i checked my earnings after about a week i had just under $70 in my account in revenyou!

    I was pumped and determined to stick at it and scale!, anyhoo long story short alot of things happened over the following months in my personal life my sister went into hospital and all sorts of other madness(and im like the rock of my family so i had to kinda be there for everyone), so with that being said i wasnt really scaling to tough and by that i mean i wasnt creating any new videos or trying different niches all i was doing is uploading the same videos i first made every now and again when i saw my traffic dropping as obviously videos get taken down pretty quickly.

    But i managed just by uploading the same videos to hit like $100+ a month which made me think "man i really need a way to scale this up?", and so i did some more reading round the forum for some ideas and inspiration, and thats when i came across a thread talking about using a website to channel traffic too, so i gave it a try and built a website on a aged domain i bought from the forum and ordered some articles from "blackpayman" for the products in my videos, and then i launched the website and did some promotion plus it had already existing traffic, so then after a while of the site being live i monitored clicks from the website and my installs to see if there was any difference in earnings and there was certainly more traffic but not that much difference in earnings?,

    So i thought i would also reach out to some coders and try to get a "dailymotion bot" made and i managed to find a guy on this forum that had one so i bought it and loaded up a campaign in the bot and noticed my videos stuck with dailymotion and were not taken down unlike youtube, so after some time i had consistent daily traffic from dailymotion that was installing my revenyou bundle, but i noticed my earnings were just getting worse?

    Even with me having the website now and uploading videos to dailymotion and youtube i was making less than when i started out? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!!!

    I contacted my affiliate manager at revenyou and was told it was my traffic that was the problem why i wasnt earning alot, but that didnt make sense because ive had the same mix of traffic from the very start if anything even more so i dont get it? Since then ive tried different ways of bundling the installer, single zip, double zip, and i also tried different ways of delivering the installer, via mediafire, dropbox, my server, perinstalls downloader, but nothing seemed to change the conversions i was getting with revenyou?

    Then the worst thing happened as of last month im getting like a handfull of installs even though im getting way more traffic? Wtf So im making pennys now i tried to contact my aff manager about this but have had no reply,

    And now i dont know what to do i thought about using different networks but none of there installers work like revenyous which is quiet handy the way they let you bundle your soft the way they do, i also saw nutrons thread about his ppi methods and his visual basic silent installer, but i couldnt understand how to get the code to work? (theres like no youtube videos showing you how to use it or something like it atleast, so im lost)

    Anywayz guys i know alot of you on here make nice amounts of money from ppi and other methods so if you can give me any advice it would be much appreciated and you would literally be saving my life, thanks for reading guys godfather out :)
     
  2. missyseo

    missyseo Newbie

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    You should test out another PPI program to make sure the problem isn't revenyou.
     
  3. MikeWorld1

    MikeWorld1 Registered Member

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    hi greengodfather, any change?? are you still with revenyou?
     
  4. greengodfather

    greengodfather Newbie

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    hey guys yea im still trying to sort the problem out while working on my other projects as its affecting my ppi side income i have literally only earned £30 in 2 months from revenyou thats a joke! :-(, for now im looking for a good ppi network with a similar installer to revenyou that i can switch to, i hope some of the more experienced folks on the forum can offer some advice:confused:, but i'll keep you guys updated, peace;)
     
  5. MikeWorld1

    MikeWorld1 Registered Member

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    I'm not exactly up-to-date about all of them but what about amonetize/solimba/installerex/outbrowse? how are their rates and technology in comparison to revenyou?
     
  6. don chino

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    outbrowse is revenyou. for me it works well
     
  7. greengodfather

    greengodfather Newbie

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    1:are you using they're exe with your app or a featured one?

    2:how are u distributing the installer, zip, direct from domain?

    I would appreciate all the info u can give as it will help my investigation into why my installs with revenyou suddenly fell drastically, whether it was my doing or they'res, thanks
     
  8. don chino

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    I use their exe directly. From their side, one reason i can see is that they started to serve .rar file in chrome, cause all other extensions got blocked. This took down conversions a bit, but not drastically. Can't see any other reason from them.
     
  9. PayPerInstaller

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    Revenyou are shaving more than ever and we have the data to prove it.

    We sent 150 executions (yes executions, not downloads, we use our own installer to mitigate chrome blocks - the installer downloads their installer and executes it, using 'internal' browser which has no blocks whatsoever) couple of days ago and only 37 have been reported as conversions.

    Sure, AVs kill some on runtime and some users decide to abort installation (less than 1%) but nowhere near can it explain what we saw in the logs and conversions reported.
    When we questioned AM he said he will boost the conversion rate by 10% if we continue sending traffic.

    They are a fucking joke.

    EDIT: Just for comparison, we have 115 conversions out of 150 executions at one other network but they pay a lot less than revenyou per install so we know for a fact its not our data/tracking thats off.
     
  10. don chino

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    Don't have proof to say otherwise.. BUT i have usually tested 3 networks at a time, and my tests showed that i got more money with revenyou than with amonetize or solimba. So even if revenyou shaves they still work better for me than amonetize, and the most important is which one generates more money at the end of the day. Of course i would use some other if it was better. At the moment i have InstallBay emailing me, and saw Bogard replaced his Purebits banner to Installmania. While InstallBay seems to be a company, i don't want to use some one-guy-home-journey like Purebits.

    I wonder what are you guys even using these days... lots of talking about amonetize but i checked today and they're blocked even in IE...

    EDIT: one thing i saw yesterday when revenyou had their install empty from offers for a short time... out of 120 executions there were 100 successful, now when the offers are included it's something about 60 conversions (out of 120 executions), so this shows a lot of people close the installer after seeing the offers screen. But around 50% conversion is what i've seen elsewhere as well with my traffic.
     
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  11. BlueOrchard

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    I'm using AdSense as this point. The income is like 1/3-1/5 that of PPI, but I guess it can't be helped with all of this bullshit happening. I still haven't found a viable PPI network aside from amonetize, but they get blocked a lot and net 45 is just ridiculous.
     
  12. PayPerInstaller

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    First of all, if you are concerned with IE blocks then there is no way you can tell the number of executions - you just don't know as you dont have your own installer that pings back home after execution.

    Solimba is by far the worst. They don't have a fixed price per install and their revshare pays 0.6 - 0.7 on average (US).
    Amonetize works way better than revenyou, we have a fixed rate of $1.7 and conversion rate is around 35%. However, they switch on their shaving scripts couple of times a week which drops the average conversion rate below 20%. No MAC offers.
    Revenyou shaves bad and they are not afraid to say it. (AM saying he will increase our conversion rate by 10%, we've got the skype logs for proof) Fixed price of $1.75. AM IT illiterate, just like installerex AMs..
    InstallBay has a 49% conversion rate but their average rate is only 0.8 for US. ROMANIAN company. So was Purebits. They had, maybe still have, I haven't checked recently, some kind of cooperation. Purebits used their installer and InstallBay also had a string "version=purebits" in their postback so be careful... They use a third party insaller for MAC traffic (Revenyou i think, not sure, maybe they rotate more than one). I've also caught them use airinstaller.com installer for windows traffic instead of their own. I'm pretty sure they don't report those installs as conversions.
     
  13. don chino

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    That's the reason why i am using ppi networks, so that they take care of the installer and offers, and i can take care of the traffic. I wonder why amonetize, revenyou and others suffering from browser blocks haven't created their own internal browser to download the file... instead giving some flagged .rar which is stupid. Can't even keep unblocked for IE... The moment i need to start doing their work, then it's time to remove them from the food chain.

    Thanks for your results with different networks.

    For me these networks have worked well and bad, depends on time.. Solimba used to be the best, then amonetize was better, then solimba better again, then revenyou better, then amonetize again, now revenyou working best.... so for me it's been just switching between networks and keeping what makes more money at this moment. I have used some others like installmonetizer, and tried few unknown names, but they didn't perform well enough to keep in my biz.

    You wrote about starting to test new networks some time ago... if you experience some good place that you can share then it would be fun to hear about.
     
  14. PayPerInstaller

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    The reason why networks can't make clean installers is because they are used by so many, hundreds of thousands. They are clean once compiled by the network but as soon as it hits totalvirus and 10,000 desktops running AV software they are flagged by both AV and browsers. We only have 500 executions per day so it is easy to keep clean - once flagged we recompile. We do it once a week.

    First thing you should do is negotiate a fixed rate with amonetize and revenue, if you are on a revshare plan ask for a fixed rate - $1.75 (revenyou) and $1.7 (amonetize). If you are at the default revshare at these networks, you will see your profit double or triple right away.
     
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  15. BlueOrchard

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    I am definitely going to try this. I might need your help though if they try to say no because I'm not entirely sure what to say. Thanks regardless!
     
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    As a follow up to the above statement, it turns out that if you want the $1.7 fixed rate with Amonetize, you will first need to average about 250 US installs daily.
     
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    The decline in the number of installs is cuz of the Installers throwing up malware alerts.
     
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    I'd find another PPI program.
     
  19. don chino

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    PayPerInstaller, the fixed rate method needs S2S pixel tracking, do you know any service to recommend?

    Edit: i still have prosper202 installed on server from past times but i remember it was too complicated... better use some paid service, clickmeter is one that comes to my mind... but maybe there is something better.
     
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  20. PayPerInstaller

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    Just give them an URL pointing to an empty file, eg. http://yourwebsite.com/track.php , tell them to append data after the "?" , eg. http://yourwebsite.com/track.php?ip=X&country=X
     
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