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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ueki94, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. ueki94

    ueki94 Regular Member

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    Hello guys, I have a question.
    I was reading a couple of books, some of them where based on blasting your pages, others where based on more white hat methods, like buildinng natural backlinks by posting in high pr forums and commenting on .gov and .edu blogs.
    I have been doing this for a while till a second ago I download SEMrush and wtf do I see, most blogs I have commented are n/a page rank, the forum profiles of high pr forums are all n/a pr, and all the .gov and .edu blogs I found where n/a page rank. WTF? Did I do all that for nothing? I if a forum was pr 8 my profile page would be pr8... how am I suppose to do a good promotion with no seo software?
     
  2. mrdexter

    mrdexter Junior Member

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    Any new page created is automatically a pagerank N/A meaning not ranked yet and will remain so until the next PR update.

    For blog comments if you post on the post (page) that has the high PR then that PR remains once you've posted, but some blogs shuffle comments to another page once they get a certain amount of comments, and that newly created page will again have a PR of N/A.

    There is a school of thought that says that a backlink from a website where the domain has a high PR is worth more than the same from a website with low PR.

    So, if you do subsribe to that theory then you haven't done all of that for nothing.
     
  3. ueki94

    ueki94 Regular Member

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    thx mate.

    But, will the pr of the new page be the same as the pr of the domain when the pr updates?

    Even if the page from a high pr domain is worth more than normal, I deduct from what you just sayd that it isn't worth the same as a page with the page rank of it's domain, plus with most blogs/forums being no follow, it seems as if it would take AGES to rank for a keyword with no one click blast software, even with low competition, because for backlinks I will need to create new pages nearly everytime for backlinks, they have nearly all the same value, and software just does it 9000 times faster.

    Please, tell me I am wrong somewhere in my logic.
     
  4. ueki94

    ueki94 Regular Member

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    And one more thing, in what way are .edu and .gov backlinks better than the other backlinks?
     
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    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    They are authority sites and therefore their linkjuice is way better :D

    Look at it this way. In Googles eyes, when you have a backlink on a authority site, YOUR site has to be good.
     
  6. sip

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    you also need to expand you horizons a little. white hat is not posting in forums and blog commenting. in my eyes that it still a bit black hat because post nice things or not you are spamming their forum or blog to get a link.

    white hat techniques tend to more things like link exchanges creating quality content so people link to you of their own accord etc etc

    don cconcern yourself to much with all the methods and wherefores just make sure youy are actually doing something. and do it consistently.
     
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  7. ueki94

    ueki94 Regular Member

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    Thx mate.
    But, I just created the website, I cant exchange my link with any nice page rank website.
    Having quality content is nice, but in my website I promote a product, can't really show it's quality if no one buys.
    Also if anyone knows the answers for the questions I posted in the secound post please answer.
     
  8. PhillyLuke

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    You'd be surprised how many folks will still do a link exchange with a lower PR or even a N/A PR website (have had people link to me when a property is still N/A).

    You just need to go get in touch with them!

    You'll need to really reach out to a lot of other webmasters/websites. It is one of the time-consuming aspects of whitehat SEO, but the tradeoff is you usually get much higher quality links, links that are within keyword rich content (for blog exchanges at least), and these are links that will stick around for a while.

    Content is your best friend here, and you'll need a good amount of it to exchange with other sites, submit to directories, submit to sites that take guest posts, etc.

    You mentioned you can't write any content because your selling a product and haven't sold any yet?

    Doesn't really make sense - write reviews about your product, write reviews about competitors products, write about how much your competitors suck, write about the problems your product solves, write about writing about your product ;)

    There's always content to be made.

    To answer your question about new profiles/comments you made and their pagerank - an internal page (like a profile on a forum) does indeed start at a N/A, and eventually gets link juice from any incoming links to that profile from your high-PR website you are commenting on. If you are sticking with whitehat methods and want that profile to start earning some PR just start posting or whatever you need to do thats associated with that profile.

    If you have say a profile at an article directory, start writing articles!

    The links to your profile from within the article will start sending link juice that-a-way.
     
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  9. mrdexter

    mrdexter Junior Member

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    Nope, especially not a profile, after all it is genuinely limited in authority. The higher then domain PR though the higher chance of the page having some PR in my opinion.

    Absolutely.

    Yes and no. I am a firm believer that you don't need 14 squillion backlinks to rank. I prefer quality, and I use the lower quality ones purely to mix it up.

    I second that.

    Seconded.
     
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    pf69.com Junior Member

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    you really should start reading more...
    this forum has a TON of info and a really nice function called SEARCH... it can be really useful sometimes (the problem might be: WHAT TO SEARCH FOR)
     
  11. ueki94

    ueki94 Regular Member

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    I have red books but they where contradictory...
    One sayd that if I kept backlinking simple, by searching for high pr websites and high pr forums and comenting/registering, I would get quality backlinks that would be much better than spammy backlinks / using software, but again, all the backlinks I can possibly get by the tools provided on that book are n/a pr forum profiles or low pr .edu/.gov blogs.
    On the other hand the other ebook sayd I should use software or do massive ammounts of link pushing.

    I want your oppinions guys, if I keep posting comments and making profiles, maybe if I try to find high pr blogs and maybe try to find high pr threads on forums to post my sig, do you think I will be able to rank till rank 1 on average competition niches?
     
  12. mrdexter

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    You'll struggle. It's a possible method but I'd mix it up with web 2.0s and social bookmarking.
     
  13. sip

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    I have seen sites which had almost nothing but comment spam reach number 1 for some decent terms

    it depends on competition and it depends on the niche. if you are trying to reach #1 for trainers then it will be difficult

    if you want to be #1 for handmade mugs then not so

    The secret to SEO is not to ask questions and just to get on with it. whatever it is you choose to get on with just do it.

    and dont micromanage everything making new posts everytime something drops half a page or you read a new WSO bullshit claim about #1 rankings in a day.

    just decide on your keywords and build links consistently every day.

    keep doing that and read your ranking reports once a month. use ibp or similar to email the reports to you.