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Please do not submit blog network links to disavow tool even if deindexed

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gorang, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    You're simply alerting Google to the network in the process.

    Think about it, it would be simple for Google to put a system in place where if a site is cited in more than two webmaster's disavow links file then it is likely a link network. In the process some people might submit all of the blog network in their disavow links file, including indexed sites.
     
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  2. Qokaine

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    Doesn't mean they're gonna impact the sites the spam came from, and it's just a last resort tool if you got abunch of spammy backlinks made that are completely niche irrelevant then ya you'd want to disavvow them.

    and if it was a good network it wouldn't be impacting ur sites rankings to begin with
     
  3. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    Do you not think Google will use the disavow tool to identify networks when scared users place links in the files?
     
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    assphuck Senior Member

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    I agree 100% with gorang. Additionally, I believe that the tool should be avoided entirely and under all circumstances.

    The bulk of the data collected by the disavow tool will identify those websites that allow user generated content (auto approve links, spam, paid links, etc.). Within months the data collected from the tool could be used to devalue backlinks or potentially send negative link juice. Setting this fact aside, simply using the tool confirms to Google that you are engaged in webspam.

    We should not be policing the internet for Google. It's quite apparent that Google's engineers and broken algorithm can't handle the job, so let's not make it any easier for them.
     
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  5. MadamX

    MadamX Junior Member

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    Gorang is right. Its another way to catch all spam generating place. Its always better not to use this tool for the benefit of SEO community. I wont be surprised if your input to disavow tool will impact many other seo practitioners.

    You might be interested to read

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    http://www.matthewwoodward.co.uk/tips/why-google-disavow-is-bad-news-for-seo/
     
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    You can bet your ass it's already happening.

    "McCarthyism"
    "You owe it to society to report your neighbour"
    "Do YOU know a Link farm?"
    "Seen anything suspicious - Give uncle Google a ring"

    It's a tacit signal that they haven't got a frikking clue haw to "tell shit from swiss cheese" and want webmasters to do their dirty work for them.

    Number one post in UK and many other places in Google for the phrase "google link disavowal tool" with almost 200,000 views since 5:30 uk time last night

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    [URL]http://www.demondemon.com/2012/10/17/googles-link-disavowal-tool-editoral-r-rated/[/URL]
    Scritty
     
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  7. BLIXX

    BLIXX Regular Member

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    While I agree, OP (ohhhh my oh my how I agree), you do realise, of course, that lick spittles, idiots and Google sycophants are flocking and will continue to flock to this tool in droves in a back-asswards effort to help themselves...yes?

    Foregone conclusion, really.
     
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    We're probably already screwed. All the dumbasses from WF and even here probably already reported a shitload of private blog network links that are active and working.
     
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    The idiots who did shitty seo to begin with are screwed, speak for yourself please.
     
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  11. gorang

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    What do you mean exactly? Because i can't understand how this sarcastic comment is aimed. This is not Wickedfire.
     
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    Yeah, you can scream until your face turns blue, nothing's gonna change. People will still submit blog network links.
     
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    BTW, with all blog networks going "invisible" and none giving out reports anymore... How do you suggest people even know which of the links are blog network links? LOL
     
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    To be honest, i think this has been quite an intelligent move by Google for their own interests(at least in part). Yes it may show that Google's algo is not capable of detecting some spam and the recent aggressive algo changes have caused alot of damage to their own search quality.

    But the way i see it, Google hit a point where they couldn't make the search engine any better at tackling the spam backlinks with their curreny policy of not penalising sites. They made a decision to nuke what they can identify as spam links knowing that there would be collateral damage.

    Now what is the best way to kill-off backhat spam? Not with using one specific algo. But with many small swipes. Blackhat webspam is a big tree and Google needs to chip away at it from all angles in order to knock it down.

    So each individual penalty added has been created as an individual algo acting independently. We know this because we've been told it is separate and needs to be "refreshed" often.

    Think of each penalty individually and independent of each other;

    Panda - On-page content penalty - Seeks out and triggers on low quality sites.
    Penguin - Off-page linkbuilding penalty - Triggers on high anchor text ratio of exact match keywords with buyers intent
    EMD - Domain Penalty - Triggers on sites who blatantly chose a domain to artificially manipulate rankings
    Blog Network Penalty - If you are caught using a Blog Network you trigger unnatural link messages in WMT
    Manual Raters - Individuals who rate your site and can trigger a devaluing
    Link Velocity - Triggers when there is an unnatural spike in links followed by a large spike deletion of links.
    Google Dance - Triggers when Google fakes a drop or increase in rankings and there is a counter-reaction by an SEO who builds more links or stops building.
    Disavow links - Triggers on sites present in several webmasters disavow links tool

    Now, each of these penalties alone are easily avoidable, they are little steps which fight little specific pieces of spam. But together as a combined effort they force webmasters to build sites in a specific way and Google is gradually cutting off our methods one by one. Triggering several of these penalties is a deathwish.

    Now i'm not trying to scare anyone, i'm just describing what i see. But Google will likely have a big pot filled with ideas for independent algos that target specific footprints of webspam sites.

    Think of the possibilities if you are Google. An algo plenty which targets sites which have too many "website, click here, read more" unrelated anchors. An algo targeting sites which have too many links from blogspot pointing towards it. An algo which targets webspam sites that have a backlink profile which has lots of links from sites with a high proportion of outbound links. An algo which triggers a penalty when a site has all backlinks from the same platforms(wikis).

    There are so many easy ways of detecting webspam in this way and I seriously think Google is attacking it using small and specific penalties. As a whole, all these minor penalties add up and while some whitehat sites will be hit, it will be a combination of a site triggering 3-5 penalties which will really see their rankings drop. It is actually quite an effective way of tackling the problem and keeping casualties to a minimum. I think there is plenty to come in the future and we're in for a bumpy ride. It used to be a simple "have you built too many links?" question, now we don't know what penalty we've been hit with.

    But the MAIN problem with all of this isn't that Google is effectively targeting webspam. It is doing a great job of hitting blackhat sites. I don't have a grudge with that, it is expected.

    My grudge is with one very important assumption that Google has made.

    Google assumes that sites which engage in linkbuilding techniques like on this forum are low quality sites.

    And we know this is not true at all. We make some of the best user focused sites on the web, because we put effort into making money and we are very experienced. We have seen that Google's search results are absolutely shocking now. Because the guys who know how to build a good site for users and provide users with what they want are the exact people who use linkbuilding techniques. We are the guys who build authoritative affiliate sites presenting users with great selections and good content. Without us, all that has been left is the huge brands and the low quality trash sites with no SEO and no usability.

    Google is trying to bully us into doing things their way, but in the process they have annihilated thousands of GREAT sites that engaged in linkbuilding.

    So on the one hand Googlr is doing a great job at removing webspam, but at the same time they've moved further away from what they actually wanted to achieve. They're doing a terrible job of improving their search quality.
     
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    For those of us who have already received webspam messages in our GWT account, google already has labeled us as black hat spammers...

    As of right now, I am in a holding pattern and taking a wait and see approach to see what people are going to be saying a month or more from now about the process...

    In my case, I downloaded my links from GWT and there were around 9,000 links to go through...I went through a few of them and then realized this tedious process will take me a good amount of time to complete...
     
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    Yeah, this is an assumption that google has made that is totally not true. I couldn't agree with you more.
     
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    LOL, where exactly are you submitting this link to? I highly doubt you have a link from Google to your site, so disavowing them really isn't going to do much good. Spend your time making money.
     
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    I still wonder what the hell people are doing using google tools especially if you are doing link building. Just the name of that tool would scare the hell out of me. So I tell google that I was getting links from wikis. "Ah nice boy", says Google, "we'll make you number 1"

    Guys, stay clear and away from Google tools. All of them.
     
  19. gorang

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    I've always been a little hesitant at this stance, but i think in the future i will not use any Google products for my site. No analytics, webmasters tools and hopefully adsense.
     
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    I think you're confused about the OP, and I think you're missing the bigger picture. People who did "shitty SEO" could still put high quality private blog network links in their list to Google, and if enough people do it then it's going to kill the entire network, even for the people who do proper SEO. The private network can be great, but if you shot yourself in the foot and lost rankings, then go and report the shitty work along with the high quality links, big G can still wipe it all out.