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PINGING - Transient or Stable?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Reyone, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Reyone

    Reyone Elite Member

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    [DISCLAIMER: THIS IS WHITEHAT SEO, DON'T GIVE ME SHIT ABOUT RANK AND BANK SITES, I KNOW THEY WORK (I'VE GOT SOME), THIS REFERS TO WHITEHAT METHODS ONLY.
    WHILE SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY "WHEN YOU DO SEO IT IS ALREADY BLACKHAT" KISS MY ASS, IF IVE GOT A TEAM OF GIRLS BLABBING ABOUT COSMETICS ALL OVER THE NET I AM NOT BUILDING LINKS, I BUILD HQ CONTENT LINKING TO MY SITE]


    Hello,

    Opening this thread in regards of the discussion I had with Scritty yesterday in his thread.Basically he raised a very interesting point which I absolutely agree, basically saying that a spammy tier2 can have a negative effect on your main site.
    While I absolutely agree (this is just a personal theory, don't fucking panic), I would even go as far as saying that Google's algo will evolve towards penalizing your main site if ANY of the Tiers are built through bh means (wheels, networks, etc etc).

    For that reason, I would like to discuss "Pinging", its effects and the possible consequences which might arise from it.
    1- Is it possible that if (as Scritty says), a spammy tier2 can negatively affect your main domain, pinging each link might as well?
    2- Does anybody know if the links created from Pinging are 100% transient? (When I ask this, I don't want some "imaguruiknoweverythingseorelated" to reply, if you dare to reply is because you have actually tested it and you have evidence that they are or they are not)

    Now based on my theories, I bet all of those people who have at some point said "My domain has been penalized and ive done only whitehat *tear *rage *cry" have done a spammy Tier 2 or a Spammy Tier 3.

    Anyways, thats all folks, I'd appreciate a civilized discussion, and yea, excuse my french.

    R
     
  2. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    You have my views. I am now scouring mny link profile from both Google and Majestic and you know what their ARE are a few pingbacks in the Majestic list - but nothing over 120 days (and the site I'm looking at is several years old)

    So I've changed slightly to thinking that pings last a little longer than I thought. 3-4 months in extreme cases?
    Guess it takes some sites that long to pass them down their canonical structure and archive (which is sort of what happens to most of them)


    So you have my sincere apologies. In the short term (weeks up to a couple of months) pings CAN affect your link lists.
    Whether Google cares about them? Who knows. I doubt they give them much credence as they are as aware as we are of how easy to produce and ephemeral MOST of them are (if not all)

    Hope that helps

    PS - the full link list appraisal and disavow process (including link removal request procedire) is being documents on demondemon.com over the next week or so.
     
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  3. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    When Scritty posts, I read slowly, and usually twice. I have respect for Scritty. You, I don't know. No offense. But your mention of Scritty is the only reason why I'm not if "full-flame" mode.

    Here's the reason why?

    Critical Question:

    Does anyone here really think that Google counts the number of times a backlink is "pinged", and then uses those counts in order to evaluate whether or not a particular backlink is "relevant", "spammy", or whatever word you'd like to fill in?

    10,000 backlinks. Of those, 1000 of them have been pinged 1,000 times. Somewhere, somehow, Google's servers maintain a data base for every mouseclick that has ever come in on each of the completely irrelevant tier-2 backlinks, and then a separate part of the Google algorithm constantly analyzes those tier-1 websites in order to determine if the links that are coming in from the tier-2 sites have pings or not.

    It's so stupid, that it boggles my mind that there are people out their that might believe in this shit. And worse, these fucking retards VOTE, FUCK and MAKE BABIES. Eventually, the entire planet will be over-run by congenitally retarded Ping-Believers, who will form a world-wide cult, call it a "religion of peace" centered on an 800 year-old pedophile, and kill anyone that does not believe in the Power of the Almighty Ping.

    These Ping-Believers will be the end of the human race, I tell you.

    And, if that doesn't persuade you to stop believing in the Power of the Almighty Ping, then consider where this retarded notion takes you. If Google counts all the pings coming in to each and every backlink, then don't you think that the Great & Holy Google-Spirit would also be smart enough to analyze the QUALITY of those pings, and punish those evil blackhat ping spammers that are trying to game the Ping Factor of the Holy Google-Spirit Algorithm?

    Stupidity beyond stupidity. It's stupidity raised to the stupid power.

    And yet, Ping services make money, which is why the belief that they do anything persists. Some people make their living by making other people stupid. I keep saying this over & over again; retardation is contagious, and it's spread by electronic bits of data on the internet. The first step toward finding a cure is admitting you have a problem. If people continue to deny the existence of this disease, they will never get cured and we'll all wind up dead in a massive & world-wide suicide, trying to ping a passing comet by taking massive doses of strychnine.
     
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  4. Scritty

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    Thanks for the compliment. He was asking a question and I think you've answered it. I tend to agree that Pings really have no long value (at all) but I understand completely why people are worried about any sort of connection between their site and a method that highlights it (links it) from potentially so many sources.

    Hope the OP is ok with the vent. I can see why the question was asked and why the answer was given. I'm holding the two boxers apart and asking for a clean bout going on. (DING DING)

    Me?

    I was too busy laughing at the name.

    Nigel Farage

    Gotta have the balls of a Bengal Tiger to adopt that monicker.

    Good on you buddy - Top man!

    Scritty
     
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  5. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    It's not often that someone has the courage to tell the truth about a "World Leader". Best leader Britain has produced since Maggie Thatcher:

    [video=youtube_share;TpYIKF1wuyE]http://youtu.be/TpYIKF1wuyE[/video]
     
  6. Reyone

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    Great post, although you could have shortened it to a couple of lines, but I see you wanted to give a full on spiritual answer to demonstrate your writing skills and power, due to this I won't be having any kids.

    I've always been taught and I have seen a lot better results when facts/studies are presented which is exactly why I opened this post, because I have not made any study on pinging and its effects. Yes, it sounds stupid, but I believe it makes sense to a certain extent, but one thing for sure, and this comes from smart people and not stupid, is that without proves everything is talk, and talk is cheap.

    As I said I wanted to know if someone had some facts about it, Scritty has given them and I truly appreciate it, you have just flamed by explaining a theory without any fact (does it not make you part of the diseased race which you speak of in between your majestic lines?), fair enough buddy, fair enough.

    Thanks a lot Scritty, appreciate your time and effort.

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    /e: I've just read your post again (I believed there was some hidden gems in it, Nigel) and man, I have never read such an imbecile words in a long time. You are dissing me because of a potential theory which I believe?

    Let me quote you:
    "these fucking retards VOTE, FUCK and MAKE BABIES. Eventually, the entire planet will be over-run by congenitally retarded Ping-Believers, who will form a world-wide cult, call it a "religion of peace" centered on an 800 year-old pedophile, and kill anyone that does not believe in the Power of the Almighty Ping."

    I believe the phrase should refer to those who make irrelevant comments and present no facts, to those that love to flame but can't present a proof, I strongly believe your phrase should refer to those kind of people. Honestly man, don't really understand why you would go the extra mile, spend time and effort to make such an irrelevant comment and yet present no facts.

    While I am not dissing anyone, I am simply presenting my thoughts to see if someone could potentially bring in their knowledge and facts to prove me wrong or right, you come here, spit on my ground and yet bring nothing to the table.

    I don't mind if someone calls me stupid for the right reason, say you had studies and facts which presented the proof making my theory wrong; I have absolutely no problem in rectifying my thoughts and admitting it, however, once again, you have only articulated a bunch of angry nonsense leading nowhere but to a failed attempt of being funny.

    Way to go man, way to go.
     
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  7. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    Well first, I meant no direct insult or offense. As I mentioned before, it was my respect for Scritty that prevented me from going into "FULL" flame mode. Please note the absence of your name or any direct reference to you in my post. This is a "if the shoe fits" type of situation, and if you don't think the shoe fits, then it doesn't. My intent is almost never to directly insult a stupid person, nor even to attempt to inform them and raise their level of awareness. The stupid, by definition are highly resistant to any such efforts, and I have better things to do with my time. Although I must admit, sometimes my annoyance and frustration get the best of me and in fact I do make direct and offensive statements to the stupid, most particularly when they deserve it. To a great extent, stupidity is a matter of choice. I justify my conduct toward the stupid by my belief that holding a stupid and ridiculous person up for public scorn and derision serves a useful, community purpose, and may suppress others from believing that they can behave in an outrageously stupid manner in public with no consequences. Ridicule is the most gentle means by which a community can punish those that act in ways that cause individual member's harm. And people that advocate in favor of pinging deserve ridicule.

    In this case, I actually DO present "facts" which is that there is a class of people that believe in pinging, and that this belief persists despite the fact that it's stupid. This stupid belief persists for two reasons. 1) There are some people that make money from selling the service of pinging, and 2) Less informed people are duped into believing that there is some value to pinging.

    I cannot do much about the 1st group, as there are no words that anyone can say that are suddenly going to make them shut-off a source of easy (and illegitimate) revenue. So then my concerns center on the 2nd group, those uninformed "newb" readers that might be suckered into a stupid belief in a stupid idea that serves no useful purpose, except to generate revenue for dishonest people.

    And that's a fact, Jack. There aren't any words that anyone can post that can make that truthful fact into anything else. At one point, in the beginning of my development into IM, I read a bunch of trash from a bunch of dishonest people that advocated stupidity for dishonest reasons and no one ever posted anything to the contrary due to some strange desire to "get along". However, I am not wired that way, and am congenitally prohibited from being able to associate with either the stupid or the dishonest, and both of these types of people believe in and advocate in favor of "pinging" as a means of influencing the placement of a website in the search results. The fact that they make money from this "belief" is no accident, and their outrage at my statement of simple facts is fabricated.
     
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  8. davids355

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    Hmm, I personally think Reyone could have a point, based on my understanding of ping- it still results in a backlink on another site doesn't it? So it's going to make up part of googles profile on your site (and every other site) therefor it's definitely another metric that they could compare sites by.

    So why wouldn't they?
     
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