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PICRIGHTS ask me to pay 1200$ for using a picture I found on google

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Charly21, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. Ravzar

    Ravzar Junior Member

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    In Australia you would remove the image and tell them to go away and that you arn't paying and it would be the end of it. That might not work in your country though. In Australia damages are based on the damage the person suffered and an account of profits for the use of the image. So if you used someone's image to make a million bucks they would have a right to some money for that. If you use an image on your blog or something the damages would be pretty low. Not sure if the law works the same though in your country.

    In most countries copyright infringement is not a crime. It might be against the law in a civil sense but all someone can do is sue you for it. It's not like the police are going to come. That might not be the case in some countries though. I think there are some weird copyright laws in the USA where people get sued tens of thousands for copyright infringement over one song which cost a few dollars. That's absurd since the damages are a few dollars.
     
  2. JackTheBlack

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    In the EU you will have to pay them the money you made off the image as well. If they can prove you did this intentionally and professional (to make money) you CAN get in jail.
    Although that doesn't seem to be the case here. But even for me a payment of 700€ is a bit high.
     
  3. starki

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    700€ is not much for a copyright violation, try this with Getty and you'll easily end up paying at least 3x. If you have your business in the EU, if you have your official adress in an imprint on your website, just pay them the 700€. If it goes to court...and it will if you don't pay...costs for their lawyers, your lawyer and court fees will sum up to a multitude of this sum quickly. Chances to win against them are pretty much zero. They documented the violation in a way sufficient for any court before they first emailed you, it's probably still visible live in some search engine caches anyway, you don't have a license, there is no way out. Ignoring them will only make things much worse and expensive.

    If you pay, make sure you don't sign a cease and desist declaration with penalty clause without consulting a lawyer first.
     
  4. Ravzar

    Ravzar Junior Member

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    That's really rough. To be honest, I am not a big fan of the EU and their laws and how they impose their silly laws on everyone else. Like who cares about cookies? They want me to put a banner on my sites about cookies now? I don't live in the EU. I didn't vote for their stupid crap. Who would send people to jail for using an image? The EU is some sort of fantasy land and it's a joke.
     
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  5. Kikerinka

    Kikerinka Senior Member

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    They are just playing with you man.... you don't see it?

    Did they send the details about the upcoming court hearing? Place, time, schedule?
    For sure they did not, becasue there won't be any court.

    They see your weakness, becasue you replied to their messages etc, and now they will exploit it to the maximum. They try with 700, simply becasue that's the amount they believe someone like you can pay....
     
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  6. Jimmydanglewood

    Jimmydanglewood Newbie

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    Hes going to get sued by these guys on behalf of whoever the image belongs to http://english.reynal-perret.com/ Its pretty straightforward; don't take other peoples shit.
     
  7. Francis Begbie

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    I’m genuinely shocked at some of the naive advice that has been given on this thread.

    I’m sorry to say that people thinking this won’t ultimately result in a court or that it’s a scam because a court date has not been set at this stage are clueless.

    This is not a scam and you’re going to end up having to pay a lot more than the original asking price at this rate.
     
  8. Kikerinka

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    Really? Do you know anything about law at all?
    On what grounds will he pay more than $700 for using an image?

    Did he make 10K profit from using it? Did he really cause any damage to the creator, in terms of profit loss? (If yes, that would be some ridiculous royalty you normally pay for such an image, which is maximum $100 but likely $1-$10)...

    The company is NEVER going to take him to court. Never, ever. If there was, even a slightest change, that they could get something real out of him in court, they would have taken him there already. But they will not do it.
    But they will play their games with him (like they do with countless others), sending emails, letters, blackmailing him, changing names, including other "specialists" with pictures and phone numbers... just becasue they see his weakness.

    Most likely OP will eventually pay, and in doing so he will support this fraudulent practices...
     
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  9. Francis Begbie

    Francis Begbie Junior Member

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    I take it you’re American? In Europe I have known of people actually being taken to court for similar.
     
  10. JackTheBlack

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    that's completely possible. I read the law text again. Before I mentioned 700$ is a bit much, however it found out that they can charge you up to 1500€ just for using one pic.

    I have no clue about US laws, but the EU is way stricter. And as he lives in EU please don't state any incorrect US laws.
     
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    Bro, contact the original owner of the photo. And see with him. He will not make you pay 700e
     
  12. JackTheBlack

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    Why wouldn't he? That's a nice income for him. He get's a part of the 700€.
     
  13. NagacomesforU

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    If they wanted to go to court they would have done so after the first time period of 14 days has passed. Also, now they start asking for 700$ instead of 1200$? They're lowering the amount in the hopes of you paying them.
    Next to this you could have put in a fake adress on your site so that is also a thing.

    All in all and that said, you did do something wrong OP. You stole something that didn't belong to you but you genuinely did not know. I'd contribute a little to the original artist/photographer if I were you if this is over, but that's just my own moral speaking.
     
  14. ManuWork

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    On what grounds do they ask for compensation?

    Unless they provided proof that you made monetary gains with the image, how did they get to the $1200 amount?

    Also, wouldn't a legitimate company send a cease and desist letter before actually dragging things to court?

    But still, I'd recommend you to contact a lawyer and get his opinion.

    At last, you can also try asking on r/legaladvice and r/legaladviceuk (for EU based opinions).
     
  15. Kikerinka

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    Will disappoint you guys, but I live in the EU.
    Actually it's US where you can get sued for anything, and end up paying crazy sums of money if a plaintiff has a good lawyer.

    Just to make things clear here: I do not justify the action of the OP, or theft of intellectual property.
    I lost (and keep losing) lot of money, just because some dicks stole digital products I sell (and made them, or paid someone to make them for me), and instead of selling them for $20, offer them for free if you have a five dollar membership on their shitty websites....

    What I am just saying is that this "PicRights campaign" is one big scam, they are lying in their emails, they use fraudulent tactics, and basically blackmail scared people (French audience is ideal for this)... until they eventually get money from them.

    In my eyes, they are no better than these kids who keep sending me emails about how they recorded me watching porn, and how they will send the webcam record to all my contacts unless I pay them $500 or whatever to their bitcoin wallet...
    Picrights is the same blackmailing system, just ten times more sophisticated.
     
  16. Jimmydanglewood

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    If you haven't read previous posts ill reiterate that I am a client of pic-rights. They have the majority of my portfolio and find a few unauthorized uses a month. Typically the images are taken from my web site, social media or news stories. You can call it a scam but this "scam" recovers hundreds of thousands of dollars in licensing fees for artists who would otherwise be forced to sit back and watch people steal their work. They have legal council in over a dozen countries. Recently I had a case for use of one of my works for 1300 euros on a blog go to court in France. This blog ran ads. I just sat back and 2 months later I got a direct deposit for 4700 euro. I had to respond to two emails and they handled the rest. This is real, you will get sued. They dont have to prove a loss or that you made money. All they needed from me was licensing agreements from previous works which I have and whoevers work this is has. Chances are its AFP or Getty.

    There are other agencies that do this as well. Image Rights, Copytrack, Pixsy. Picrights just has the best worldwide reach.
     
  17. ManuWork

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    So what you're saying is you're making money by exploiting faulty copyright laws (a.k.a extortion)? lol :D
     
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    Take it how you want. The people taking works from artists and using them haphazardly aren't innocent. I didn't put the images on their web sites. They did.
     
  19. Kikerinka

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    I would say that you aren't a client of PicRights. You work for them, posting on forums like this, just to add another layer of sophistication to their deceptive and fraudulent business processes.

    Well done anyway. It's blackhat forum, so maybe this should be moved to money making section. :).
    I saw many schemes and fraudulent practices online, but the way you guys do this definitely ranks within top3. You have all angles covered.
     
  20. ManuWork

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    Can you PM me you portfolio? So that I can ignore it while I'm stealing someones hard work. lol :D