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Phd in business management...

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  1. TheChronicles

    TheChronicles Regular Member

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    I was curoius
    id tryd googling this but it wasn't too much help

    If you get a PhD in Business Management which is higher then a MBA
    what kind of jobs are available to you? and what are there starting pay?

    if you can back it up with a source or link that would be great
    thank you
     
  2. farfetchedmoney

    farfetchedmoney Regular Member

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    check google university of phoenix(too lazy to go to the site myself)
     
  3. TheChronicles

    TheChronicles Regular Member

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    they'll list the benefits of getting a PhD in business management?
     
  4. farfetchedmoney

    farfetchedmoney Regular Member

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    sorry I misread........ok you wont find nothing on business management ph.d per se, but business admin there is some information. I am sure there is more information just not in the term "PH.D business management". I can tell you that being a professor at a university is one job, and, administrative positions, research careers relating to business economics, also, in gov't and private organizations. etc...good luck..here is a link to that for starters in the realm of business admin...

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    http://www.youngentrepreneur.com/forum/f41-management/mba-vs-dba-or-phd-in-business-27277.html
     
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    you wont in the job more than in blackhat.
    but i assume you would be right in the inner circles of business,
    so if you use a little greyhat,we are talking about millions here.
     
  6. oldenstylehats

    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    I have an MBA and can tell you that with very few exceptions, most people who pursue their doctorate do so to gain positions in academia. Those few exceptions generally get their MBA, become successful in a field, and return to do doctoral work later in life.

    Your track record outside of school is more important to finding middle and upper management positions than your school record. An MBA from a good school (like my alma mater, Wharton) can get you a decent management gig right of school, but you'll have to excel there before the holy gates open up.

    Good luck!
     
  7. TheChronicles

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    thanks guys
    the reason im asking is because i want to go for my mba and i thought phd is about 2 years extra why not shoot for that

    thats why i asked what the benefits were
    im more interested in becoming like a ceo
    would this help my chances more then if i had a mba?
    or does it depend on the school i went too?
    or both?
     
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    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    Your track record at previous businesses will have more to do with you getting hired in upper management positions than the degree you hold. You're not going to get hired as a CEO straight out of school; there is simply too much about business and people that can not be taught in a classroom.

    I'd aim for the MBA and get out into the field as soon as possible and see if you actually like managing people before spending a lot of extra time and money on a degree that isn't going to get you any further ahead at this point in your career.
     
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  9. TheChronicles

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    ok, and mba would take me 6 years, correct
    once i go into college and by the time i get out, 6 years...

    after i get out of college and i hold that degree
    what kind of position would i most likely get a position as?
    any ideas?
    i know most ceo's have an mba
    but an mba is becoming more and more common
    so i thought that having more knowledge in that field would give me some what of an upper hand...
     
  10. farfetchedmoney

    farfetchedmoney Regular Member

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    A ceo for a corporation you mean? A phd for most is worthless beacause it is not about being pratical. It is more so about researching, and case studies. A ph.d is good if you looking to make more as a professor. A masters in entrpreneurship. marketing, management or the like should be more than enough....If you can get in a company with your bachelors they may pay for you to go back to school because they have a vested interest in your success. The most important thing you can do is get interships/ practical apprenticeships before you even get to the company. What good is school if you have no experience whatsoever? It is usually reccomended to get some experience before you even go for a masters degree...then go back once you have some practical experience.......oooh this is loong:eek:

    an MBA is only 2 years....you have to go outthere and see what kind of job you can get with an MBA because alot of companies hire people with that degree..true everybody has an MBA but a PH.d wont do anything more than an MBA....except stroke your ego
     
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  11. TheChronicles

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    yes, a corporation...

    so what can i do to gain experience now?
    im almost done with highschool and im very interested in going into business
    me and my dad always talk about business, before he buys a business, makes a big investment - we always discuss it and what not

    when i get into college ill have to get my bachelors and then my mba
    i just want to go as far as i can in the field of business
    thats why im exploring my options
     
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    You could look for a job to gain experience..It is no majic formula....it is trial and error....look into jobs that will train you for management.....ask your high school career counselour what jobs are they for you that will help you in better management training.
     
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    you think ill find one
    in this recession?
     
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    There is always opportunities.... you can volunteer as an intern just to increase your portfolio......You can create and pass out flyers and hire kids to cut grass for the summer if you want money. Just a thought.....
     
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  15. TheChronicles

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    great, thanks
    will give it a shot
     
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    If you think you might be cut out for the corporate world, then maybe you should try your hand at business yourself. The entrepreneurial spirit is looked upon very highly by most companies. Also, I assumed from your original question that you already had or were about to attain your bachelor's. Believe me when I tell you that the chances of you knowing what you want to do at 25 when you are 17 or 18 are next to none.

    Before planning your life out, take a few finance, accounting, and business courses and see if you actually get something from it. Going into college with the expectation that it is going to be a fast track to any specific career is not a good idea. Let life lessons and your own interests guide your studies, not some potentially unrealistic expectation of the jobs you'll be applying for.
     
  17. TheChronicles

    TheChronicles Regular Member

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    yea, i understand where your coming from
    im taking economics right now and i love it
    im on top of everything
    im the most active/co operative/smartest in the class
    if the teacher tells me to do 1/5 i do all 5
    its always been a path i wanted to pursue
     
  18. pzo1970

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    Exactly 'oldenstylehats', not to mention, most phd's in Business Administration are scholars and educators... If you are staying in the corporate world, other that the prestige that come with the degree, I really don't see a benefit at all. Once you do have your MBA, then continuing education courses within your related field will do the trick long term. Our economy is volatile and fluid which says that a degree such as a phd in business administration just isn't what it used to be in terms of actual business rather than business theory.

    my 2 cents
     
  19. wickid

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    Something else to consider before your dead set on starting with your bachelors in business it that in many cases a lot of what you learn is a bunch of theories and history of what companies have done. I got my BA in Business Administration with a focus on Strategic Management and came out of college with no real skills to enter the business world.

    A friend of mine on the other hand, studied and got a BA in another major, then went to school to get an MBA. He told me that the MBA program actually teaches you more about the corporate world and how to be a leader...not so much just theories and history that I ended up getting with the BA program.

    If you are set to study business, try to focus on an area that will actually teach you a skill...such as MIS or Accounting...