Pfizer is holding governments to ransom

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It's not about being a paid shill. It's basic human psychology. People are highly polarized in their views and most people will fight anyone who disagrees with their view. That's why you cannot change people's opinions with logic, ever. People choose a side, and that side is their identity.

So the mind believes that if they are proven wrong, it is ego-death basically. People will then fight to the death to defend their beliefs. This includes hammering anyone with opposing views and trying to convince them, because as long as that other person is alive with those beliefs, they are a threat to the ego-construct tied to this belief. That is why you are pasting outright disgusting sites.

And let me be clear. I have lost my temper, and it's because of the site you posted. I'm normally fairly neutral, but that site really disgusted me. It's full of people basically celebrating the deaths of "anti-vaxxers". It's sick. It make me want to vomit to be honest with you. To see people fall so far and get so manipulated that they start celebrating the death of their fellow man.

I undertand your rection to the site i didnt' even read the comments because i knew they wouldn't be pretty,i just looked at the faces ,ages and names of the people that could be here if they took the jab and that's all i took from the site, as i said i have people in my family that don't want to take it so i'm always on edge regarding that because they are 60+ year olds and it can be dangerous.

I was one of the last ones from my group of friends to take the vaccine as i was making the same questions as you guys are making and wondering the potential long term effects of the vaccine and we have some data to prove that the majority of dangerous effects documented are extremely rare... but if you get the virus the potential of developing serious problems is even greater, that's simple math... i don't go against reality, if the science proves me wrong that's life and i have to deal with it, for now science says its mostly safe.

If i want to take additional jabs? Probably not and it will be something to think about but right now i thought that getting the jab after getting something that i thought was covid back in 2020 because i never felt so sick in my entire life, i don't smoke, dont drink, do exercise and eat healthy so it was a bit of shock and i don't want to feel like that again i thought getting the vaccine would be a strong benefit for myself as having some defenses because of the new strains is a good idea.
 

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Related to what @splishsplash said :

There's an asymmetry going on here .

If you're not vaccinated you can become vaccinated .

If you're vaccinated you CAN'T become unvaccinated again .


Once you're vaccinated you're "converted" . You're now a believer .

It will be very hard to admit that you made a mistake . The psychological burden would be too big .



This is why such close-mindedness (like @bartosimpsonio) is so common in the vaccinated .


Usually , instead of responding to your arguments , they'll attack you , call you crazy , "anti-vaxxer" , "troll" etc (like @RushingWind , @andyframpton )

They don't want to convince you that they're right . They only want to convince themselves that you're wrong , to maintain their peace of mind .

For me this is just as concerning as the extreme pro-vaccinators. It has become so territorial it's almost religious. They are so desperate for it to be right they won't accept any criticism or questioning. If you go to certain forums there are echo chambers for those who are for it, and some for those who are against it. This is a new virus, we will learn new things about it with each passing day, scientists get things right and get things wrong.
 

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Just because something is illegal does not mean it does not happen.

Illegal things happen everyday of the week I don't think this is big secret to anyone else except you .

It never happened online it happened in real life

Try and smarting up if you can instead of living in your make-believe life as you seem to be in.
Sure mate. Some random GP in Perthshire Scotland admitted to buying shares in pharmaceuticals under fake names in order to push them on his patients.

Like recommending viagra to Bob the builder is going to shoot that share price soaring.

Mate, get a grip.

I don’t think you know how the NHS or reality works.

Just admit you made the whole thing up.
 
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This thread is being too long.

Taking the vaccine is a choice. You either take it or not based on your individual decision.

I see pro vaxxers and multi vaxxers trying to force people to take the vaccine and this is the problem.

None of us are qualified to speak about it, we are not doctors at all, so let the professional do their jobs.

Some doctors are corrupted, like the ones saying cigarettes are healthy and the ones touching a commission on the vaccine's recommendation.

Some have a soul and are against the vaccine also, and it's disgusting because we try to shut their mouth.


This article just came out in my country, I don't translate all but basically, doctors who don't recommend to people to be vaccinated can have a 20'000 dollars fine.

But yes for non vaccinated people, just know that a lot of doctors are also vaccine hesitant and don't enter in this crazy paranoid and pushy pro vaccine extremism.

Funnily enough, the only 2 doctors I know and with who I discussed, told me in private that they are not vaccinated because the vaccine was experimental for the moment...

So YES. doctors are censored if they are vaccine hesitant or against, just know that if you are not vaccinated you are not a "dumb citizen" like the media try to label you.

Relax, you have your right to make your choice and not take the vaccine, even a lot of doctors don't want the vaccine but protect yourself good with mask and gel, forget about the vaccine and be careful outside.
 

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This thread is being too long.

Taking the vaccine is a choice. You either take it or not based on your individual decision.

I see pro vaxxers and multi vaxxers trying to force people to take the vaccine and this is the problem.

None of us are qualified to speak about it, we are not doctors at all, so let the professional do their jobs.

Some doctors are corrupted, like the ones saying cigarettes are healthy and the ones touching a commission on the vaccine's recommendation.

Some have a soul and are against the vaccine also, and it's disgusting because we try to shut their mouth.


This article just came out in my country, I don't translate all but basically, doctors who don't recommend to people to be vaccinated can have a 20'000 dollars fine.

But yes for non vaccinated people, just know that a lot of doctors are also vaccine hesitant and don't enter in this crazy paranoid and pushy pro vaccine extremism.

Funnily enough, the only 2 doctors I know and with who I discussed, told me in private that they are not vaccinated because the vaccine was experimental for the moment...

So YES. doctors are censored if they are vaccine hesitant or against, just know that if you are not vaccinated you are not a "dumb citizen" like the media try to label you.

Relax, you have your right to make your choice and not take the vaccine, even a lot of doctors don't want the vaccine but protect yourself good with mask and gel, forget about the vaccine and be careful outside.
For me it was another interesting sort of pro vs anti vaccine debate again.

I would agree with what you said and I was kind of suspecting some sort of fines would get done or probably already happened some places over the vaccine .
 

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idk , why it's hard to believe that reality is not what the media or gouvernement tells you , and if anyone with a fucking brain read this and have followed israel pandamic state from the very beginning will understand where the whole world is heading :

https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/

the pandemic is used to turn the goverments of the world into socialism state along using it for other things . get a fucking clue ffs .


people will not realize what happen No matter what you guys do no matter how the authentic the information is . they going to learn the hard way once the FED ( federal reserve bank) crash down the entier economy because since this pandemic started they where printing money like there's no tomorrow and economists are literally freaking out because the dollar is going to die for GOOD .


millions will lose their proprety and jobs and proverty will skyrock and then they will finally understand that this whole shit is nothing but a big giant planned event to take everything you own .

pandemic won't wait for you to test if your sick or not , you die in the spot . this whole shit was over blow out of proportion by the goverment and media.

and people still think that we are going back to the old normal you guys are dreaming . the big corporation that control goverments literally said there's no going back to normal and if you think otherwise then you just fantasizing .

it's fine if you don't believe me , and call me whatever . my last advice is :

take your money out of the bank and put it somewhere else bitcoin or gold or silver .

what's going to happen next will make covid look like a joke.
 

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idk , why it's hard to believe that reality is not what the media or gouvernement tells you , and if anyone with a fucking brain read this and have followed israel pandamic state from the very beginning will understand where the whole world is heading :

https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/

the pandemic is used to turn the goverments of the world into socialism state along using it for other things . get a fucking clue ffs .


people will not realize what happen No matter what you guys do no matter how the authentic the information is . they going to learn the hard way once the FED ( federal reserve bank) crash down the entier economy because since this pandemic started they where printing money like there's no tomorrow and economists are literally freaking out because the dollar is going to die for GOOD .


millions will lose their proprety and jobs and proverty will skyrock and then they will finally understand that this whole shit is nothing but a big giant planned event to take everything you own .

pandemic won't wait for you to test if your sick or not , you die in the spot . this whole shit was over blow out of proportion by the goverment and media.

and people still think that we are going back to the old normal you guys are dreaming . the big corporation that control goverments literally said there's no going back to normal and if you think otherwise then you just fantasizing .

it's fine if you don't believe me , and call me whatever . my last advice is :

take your money out of the bank and put it somewhere else bitcoin or gold or silver .

what's going to happen next will make covid look like a joke.


Wtf.

"The Health Ministry last week also announced that the “Green Pass” system — a document that allows entry into certain gatherings and public places for those who are vaccinated or have recovered from the coronavirus — will expire six months after the holder received their second or third dose, hinting that a fourth dose may be administered in six-months time."

This is really as bad as it gets, folks.

You must take an experimental vaccine to profit big-corps to go out and do normal things you used to take for granted. On top of that, this is only the start. Before it was "just a vaccine and it's over, back to normal", then it was "maybe we'll implement passports", now it's "passports for certain places", next it's "passports to buy your groceries and get a job". And this is beyond just a vaccine. It allows everyone to be tracked and controlled. Everywhere you go, everything you buy. You are all giving up your freedom bit by bit, and attacking people who are trying to hold onto that freedom.

One day you will wake up and it'll be too late, and the elderly will talk about how they remember the days when you could just go out, travel where you want, do what you want and were truly free. Kids will listen to it with skepticism because they'll be so brainwashed by the big corps. This is where it looks like we're heading.

I just recommend you guys make as much money as you can to get into the "elite" group before it's too late.
 

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Wtf.

"The Health Ministry last week also announced that the “Green Pass” system — a document that allows entry into certain gatherings and public places for those who are vaccinated or have recovered from the coronavirus — will expire six months after the holder received their second or third dose, hinting that a fourth dose may be administered in six-months time."

This is really as bad as it gets, folks.

You must take an experimental vaccine to profit big-corps to go out and do normal things you used to take for granted. On top of that, this is only the start. Before it was "just a vaccine and it's over, back to normal", then it was "maybe we'll implement passports", now it's "passports for certain places", next it's "passports to buy your groceries and get a job". And this is beyond just a vaccine. It allows everyone to be tracked and controlled. Everywhere you go, everything you buy. You are all giving up your freedom bit by bit, and attacking people who are trying to hold onto that freedom.

One day you will wake up and it'll be too late, and the elderly will talk about how they remember the days when you could just go out, travel where you want, do what you want and were truly free. Kids will listen to it with skepticism because they'll be so brainwashed by the big corps. This is where it looks like we're heading.

I just recommend you guys make as much money as you can to get into the "elite" group before it's too late.
you could have suggest to run to the mountains lol .
 

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Wtf.

"The Health Ministry last week also announced that the “Green Pass” system — a document that allows entry into certain gatherings and public places for those who are vaccinated or have recovered from the coronavirus — will expire six months after the holder received their second or third dose, hinting that a fourth dose may be administered in six-months time."

This is really as bad as it gets, folks.

You must take an experimental vaccine to profit big-corps to go out and do normal things you used to take for granted. On top of that, this is only the start. Before it was "just a vaccine and it's over, back to normal", then it was "maybe we'll implement passports", now it's "passports for certain places", next it's "passports to buy your groceries and get a job". And this is beyond just a vaccine. It allows everyone to be tracked and controlled. Everywhere you go, everything you buy. You are all giving up your freedom bit by bit, and attacking people who are trying to hold onto that freedom.

One day you will wake up and it'll be too late, and the elderly will talk about how they remember the days when you could just go out, travel where you want, do what you want and were truly free. Kids will listen to it with skepticism because they'll be so brainwashed by the big corps. This is where it looks like we're heading.

I just recommend you guys make as much money as you can to get into the "elite" group before it's too late.

Don't forget that during the time people are recommended to take booster shots there are lots of companies working on improving vaccines and on therapeutics, we will eventually have a over the counter remedy to treat covid, israeli companies are already on that track https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-existing-drugs-fight-coronavirus-with-almost-100-success-in-jerusalem-lab/
 

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This thread is being too long.

Taking the vaccine is a choice. You either take it or not based on your individual decision.

I see pro vaxxers and multi vaxxers trying to force people to take the vaccine and this is the problem.

None of us are qualified to speak about it, we are not doctors at all, so let the professional do their jobs.

Some doctors are corrupted, like the ones saying cigarettes are healthy and the ones touching a commission on the vaccine's recommendation.

Some have a soul and are against the vaccine also, and it's disgusting because we try to shut their mouth.


This article just came out in my country, I don't translate all but basically, doctors who don't recommend to people to be vaccinated can have a 20'000 dollars fine.

But yes for non vaccinated people, just know that a lot of doctors are also vaccine hesitant and don't enter in this crazy paranoid and pushy pro vaccine extremism.

Funnily enough, the only 2 doctors I know and with who I discussed, told me in private that they are not vaccinated because the vaccine was experimental for the moment...

So YES. doctors are censored if they are vaccine hesitant or against, just know that if you are not vaccinated you are not a "dumb citizen" like the media try to label you.

Relax, you have your right to make your choice and not take the vaccine, even a lot of doctors don't want the vaccine but protect yourself good with mask and gel, forget about the vaccine and be careful outside.
It's funny how you said you're not qualified to give medical advice and then gave medical advice.

The big problem is, the weight of evidence supports that vaccines are safe and effective as you can see here: Post in thread 'Pfizer is holding governments to ransom' https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/pfizer-is-holding-governments-to-ransom.1353499/post-14644820

Have an opinion, fine. But it's the anti-science, anti-vaccination, covid skeptical crowd that are posting this shit daily on BHW.

You're all for my body my choice, but still shoving this nonsense down everyone else's throat constantly.

Frankly, it's exhausting.
 

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This thread is being too long.

Taking the vaccine is a choice. You either take it or not based on your individual decision.

I see pro vaxxers and multi vaxxers trying to force people to take the vaccine and this is the problem.

None of us are qualified to speak about it, we are not doctors at all, so let the professional do their jobs.

Some doctors are corrupted, like the ones saying cigarettes are healthy and the ones touching a commission on the vaccine's recommendation.

Some have a soul and are against the vaccine also, and it's disgusting because we try to shut their mouth.

https://www.letemps.ch/suisse/medecins-romands-sanctionnes-decourage-leurs-patients-se-faire-vacciner
This article just came out in my country, I don't translate all but basically, doctors who don't recommend to people to be vaccinated can have a 20'000 dollars fine.

But yes for non vaccinated people, just know that a lot of doctors are also vaccine hesitant and don't enter in this crazy paranoid and pushy pro vaccine extremism.

Funnily enough, the only 2 doctors I know and with who I discussed, told me in private that they are not vaccinated because the vaccine was experimental for the moment...

So YES. doctors are censored if they are vaccine hesitant or against, just know that if you are not vaccinated you are not a "dumb citizen" like the media try to label you.

Relax, you have your right to make your choice and not take the vaccine, even a lot of doctors don't want the vaccine but protect yourself good with mask and gel, forget about the vaccine and be careful outside.
most doctors don't want to talk against the vaccine because their license is in danger.
 

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most doctors don't want to talk against the vaccine because their license is in danger.
Bullshit.

Over 50% (most?) Doctors don't speak out against vaccines because they are scared to lose their license, what a load of horseshit you've just made up.

Fucking hell, what are you on?
 

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Bullshit.

Over 50% (most?) Doctors don't speak out against vaccines because they are scared to lose their license, what a load of horseshit you've just made up.

Fucking hell, what are you on?

Hey, if some doctors don't want the vaccine, it means it's a legit doubt and choice to have, are you a doctor? no, neither do I.

So it's the right of the patient to take an individual choice based on the information he can get provided.

It's exhausting to see the same people trying to force people to take the vaccine.

Yes doctors have a fine of 20 000 dollars in my country if they speak against the covid. It was never done before that we force doctors to not inform patients with their experience and personal recommendation.

Doctors have all sorts of contracts for promoting products in every country it's like that. Could they lose their licence? I don't think so but they have problems if they speak against the vaccine so yeah, that is BS.

I don't give medical advice, only say that some doctors who have a lot more qualification than you and me are not vaccinated, so if it's the case... it says a lot about freedom to take the vaccine or not.

I don't take it like some doctors don't take it, it's my choice, other people who don't want to take it also, it's their choice end of story.

My recommendation was to wear the mask and use gel to protect yourself in public, that is a proven factual medical advice but if I think the vaccine is BS for my situation and other people think so, let them do.

Most people who are vaccine hesitants have reasons and don't want to be rushed in an experimental vaccine which could harm fertility, the time to test it was not long enough. Only my thoughts, but who are you to criticize doctors and epidemiologist who don't want to get vaccinated? They have more experience in this field than you and me combine, so saying they do BS is a little bit arrogant from you I think.
 

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Hey, if some doctors don't want the vaccine, it means it's a legit doubt and choice to have, are you a doctor? no, neither do I.

So it's the right of the patient to take an individual choice based on the information he can get provided.

It's exhausting to see the same people trying to force people to take the vaccine.

Yes doctors have a fine of 20 000 dollars in my country if they speak against the covid. It was never done before that we force doctors to not inform patients with their experience and personal recommendation.

Doctors have all sorts of contracts for promoting products in every country it's like that. Could they lose their licence? I don't think so but they have problems if they speak against the vaccine so yeah, that is BS.

I don't give medical advice, only say that some doctors who have a lot more qualification than you and me are not vaccinated, so if it's the case... it says a lot about freedom to take the vaccine or not.

I don't take it like some doctors don't take it, it's my choice, other people who don't want to take it also, it's their choice end of story.

My recommendation was to wear the mask and use gel to protect yourself in public, that is a proven factual medical advice but if I think the vaccine is BS for my situation and other people think so, let them do.

Most people who are vaccine hesitants have reasons and don't want to be rushed in an experimental vaccine which could harm fertility, the time to test it was not long enough. Only my thoughts, but who are you to criticize doctors and epidemiologist who don't want to get vaccinated? They have more experience in this field than you and me combine, so saying they do BS is a little bit arrogant from you I think.

the problem i see with most people having a knee jerk reaction to anti-vaxxers is the fact that the side that is openly talking against the vaccines harbors all the kinds of people that are conspiracy theorists, believe that there is a chip on the jab or other nonsensical theories like that. There are many people as well that don't want to take the vaccine but use logic and science to make their opinions, but the majority of people trying to use the science available to us right now comes from the vaccine-advocates.
 

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the problem i see with most people having a knee jerk reaction to anti-vaxxers is the fact that the side that is openly talking against the vaccines harbors all the kinds of people that are conspiracy theorists, believe that there is a chip on the jab or other nonsensical theories like that. There are many people as well that don't want to take the vaccine but use logic and science to make their opinions, but the majority of people trying to use the science available to us right now comes from the vaccine-advocates.

yeah they are full of BS if they are antivax just because they don't want to face the reality and not social distance, wear mask and gel.

I don't identify myself in this category of people.

I try to think and have my doubts, I am healthy and take more measures to protect myself than most people so I am not covid sceptic at all, neither is splishsplash for example, he made very good points in this thread also and is not your average stupid antivax...

The problem is to categorise people either "procovid" or "antivax", it's very very stupid as a judgment.

It's the same as if I say you are a multi vaxxer because you approve the vaccine...

(multi vaxxers are the one injecting all the vaccines in their body for more protection and it's ABSOLUTELY against medical suggestion at this point from what I saw)

It's not because you are pro vaccine that I say you are a crazy multi vax... makes no sense.

You did your choice, no problem with it.

People who are strongly opposed to the choice of others are the problem, in both sides.

Israel showed how a lack of social distancing and good measures can make a new lockdown... vaccine or not... so from my perspective, the vaccine is not efficient enough as it happened there...

That's all...

Wearing a mask, protecting yourself in public, if you do that good, you can be pro vaccine or anti vaccine, I respect you.

But if you are a pro vaccine and don't protect others by thinking you are not spreading the virus with the vaccine, I don't agree with this at all for the moment, it's my big issue with the pro vaccine people.

But we are all different and from a different background and try to make what we estimate being the best now.

I agree with you, the "uninformed antivaxxers propagandists" are not healthy at all for spreading shit... I don't identify with them.
 

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protect yourself good with mask and gel, forget about the vaccine and be careful outside
Sounds like medical advice to me.

As I said, the weight of evidence supports the fact that vaccines are safe and effective. Multiple studies support this. The likelihood of long-term issues is incredibly unlikely, there's plenty of historical evidence to support this as well.

As with any field of science, you'll get naysayers. Does that mean you should only listen to skeptics?

Would it not be better to review any claims based on supporting evidence and facts?

Every day on BHW there's some new bullshit thread about some anti-vaccine nonsense. Rarely does any of it stand up to any sort of scrutiny, the sources are dubious and more often than not are opinions or based on incomplete, misunderstood, or just plain incorrect data.

At best it's a waste of time. At worst it does real harm.
 

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Bullshit.

Over 50% (most?) Doctors don't speak out against vaccines because they are scared to lose their license, what a load of horseshit you've just made up.

Fucking hell, what are you on?
Well, I'm saying the truth. We have a Doctor specializing in Pharmacology and Toxicology here in our country who speak out against the vaccine and the department of health threatened him that they will remove his license.
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/doctor-responds-criticism-over-latest-105826661.html
 

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Well, I'm saying the truth. We have a Doctor specializing in Pharmacology and Toxicology here in our country who speak out against the vaccine and the department of health threatened him that they will remove his license.
That's not most mate, that's one doctor.
Literally, in the article, it says that his video "it set off alarm bells within the academic and medical communities, as authorities and experts condemned the interview". i.e. most thought it was Bullshit.
 

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That's not most mate, that's one doctor.
Literally, in the article, it says that his video "it set off alarm bells within the academic and medical communities, as authorities and experts condemned the interview". i.e. most thought it was Bullshit.
There are a group of doctors here that is against the vaccine. Some of them spoken out. Some keep silenced. I'm talking "most doctors who are against the vaccine" not all doctors. Why are you so irate lol? Did the vaccine messed up your attitude?
 

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There are a group of doctors here that is against the vaccine. Some of them spoken out. Some keep silenced. I'm talking "most doctors who are against the vaccine" not all doctors. Why are you so irate lol? Did the vaccine messed up your attitude?
It's just another load of rubbish mate.

You claimed most doctors were afraid to speak out against the vaccine due to potential repercussions.... turns out none of it was true.
A handful of doctors have expressed concerns out of thousands. That's not most.
 
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