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Persistence is all I got - so far...

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Johnny Ringo, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Okay people I am wrapped in Kevlar so come and bring the napalm!
    I am gonna sound like a right noob but stuffit, you don't ask you don't learn, right?
    So, I have two full years of trying to crack this IM thing.
    I am an IT Tec by day and have spent these 2 years doing the usual hamster wheel thing.
    I have learned a passable skillsets for the usual stuff from Cpanel to FTP & HTML/Dreamweaver all the way down to Wordpress.
    I have created eBooks, given away stuff, built a couple of dozen autoblogs and tried PLR sites, bespoke sites and blogs.
    I have Sites with Adsense, sites with CPA offers and some with Affiliate (Amazon) offers.
    Oh and I was burned with Google CPC.
    In this time I have bought most of the product launches (gotta invest in your education, right?) and the shiny new toys and have some of the cool things like Scrapebox, MicroNicheFinder, Linkwheel Builder& WP-Robot. And lots of costly WP Themes.
    Of course I have annual outgoings like Hosting and Aweber.There are subscriptions coming out of my ears.
    Still No income from IM.
    You get it.
    THis last few weeks I have even tried awhat sounded like a really promising WSO technique of listing real Ebay stuff just to siphon some traffic ( no joy).
    Anyway I am not down or giving up or doing any of the dramatic stuff but fer feks sake I could really do with making a return from something I could talk to my wife and kids about( although actually I am tempted to try adult websites next )
    It is easy to say that I am flitting from one thing to the next but I really have built the sites and really have sat up late into the night with tired eyes perfecting this or that aspect of my funnel/landing page/ ecover...
    So please don't say " You Must TAke Action" or " You noobs all want to be spoonfed" I am doing the stuff that people write about on here.
    So come on people do your worst, what should be next, I have listed my attributes and assets... what is a good fit?
     
  2. nufaman

    nufaman Elite Member

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    If you haven't achieved anything in 2 years maybe its time to stick to your day job
     
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  3. lewi

    lewi Elite Member

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    Problem i see here is lack of focus!

    Choose one niche, your passion, your hobby etc and make a site about it... tell people about it... and profit!

    Although this is what most people tell you to do unless you stick at something then you are not going to make anything.... and its easier to stick with a project you enjoy doing even if it doesn't earn you cash to begin with!

    Lewi

    P.S. If you want to join my list feel free as i can send you notifcations on all the big product launches so you can buy them and make me a commission :p LOL
     
  4. Monrox

    Monrox Power Member

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    So what is it that you are missing? Traffic, conversions, clicks... you've tried so much but what is not working down the chain leading to getting paid?
     
  5. Neeoo

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    I see you purchased the toys created sites, but I would like to ask a couple of questions. I have nothing to sell you, no course, no ebook, no software, no ridiculous claims I just want to help.

    1. I see you built the sites for CPA, adsense and amazon etc, are you getting traffic? When I say traffic I mean, are your keywords ranking #1, are you getting traffic from articles, videos, twitter, facebook etc...

    2. If you are getting traffic is it 5 uniques a day, 10 uniques a day, 100, 200 etc... The answers do not need to be exact, ball park is ok.

    3. What do you want to accomplish, what is your goal?
     
  6. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Good question. I am sure it is traffic.
    some of the sites get to #1 in Google but still low numbers- this despite good traffic estimates beforehand!
    Some have lovely lush thems and some have really sparse but click friendly themes.

    I love the idea of adsense and organic traffic. Actually now I think, I have $150 sitting in a google adsense account ( I tried banner ads and wouldn,t recommend it) I guess I could point that at something but it seems a waste to use CPC traffic on adsense sites.
     
  7. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Hi Neeoo' Thanks for the reply.
    Yeah a trickle of traffic is all10 -20 uniques a day. No clicks.
    All organic from SEO, some backlinks boughtfrom here a bookmark service from here too.
    A twitter account too but that seems to be pretty hit and miss.
     
  8. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Dude! are we married?
    'coz you sure do sound like my Missus! :p
     
  9. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Thanks Lewi.
    I cannot argue.
    Fragmentation is an issue, I know, it is something I fight continually at work.
    I blame it on email- just look how we all deal with multiple threads on forums
    and in emails
    and texts on the mobile
    plus the work Blackberry which lets me reach bot of my Hotmail & Gmail personal accounts too.
    God forbid the phone rings in the middle of it all and I drop conversation somewhere.
    Focus is definately an issue.
    To combat it I have sometimes switched everything off and forced myself to burn the midnight oil. but yeah it is hard.
    The thing about passion is interesting as recently I took a long look at my interests and they are, well a bit embarrassing and obscure.
    No-one I know has any interest in Platonic geometry or spherical maths ( not to say I can follow it!) or geodesic triangulation. I can't see any of that being usable, can you?
     
  10. nazareth1983

    nazareth1983 Registered Member

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    Well I mean you no disrespect Johnny Ringo but if you write any of your ads for your sites like your text reads on this post, I doubt I would stick around long enough to read it.

    Your post was like reading a snippet of code from a computer language.

    Me personally, I've read over this forum for a month, and started making money about three days later the rest been history. Everything you need to make money is already here, and most is broken into really simple steps.

    So if you bank less then high $$$$ per month from your IM skills, with two years of effort I really don't know what to tell you?

    Maybe you should offer your IT skills in the appropriate section of this forum or do a JV with someone to market your ideas. That would be a good start at earning online.

    If you provided some detailed examples of projects you failed at maybe someone could give you some IM advice and point you in the right direction.

    I wish you the best with IM
     
  11. Deviance

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    You spend two years learning HTML, cPanel, FTP and Dreamweaver?


    IM isn't for you.



    Same goes for your bullshit coloured posts. And remember kids; the people who brag the most earn the least.
     
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  12. Neeoo

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    Just because you haven't succeeded in 2 years doesn't mean you quit. There are many inventors and business men and women who failed many many times before succeeding.

    Thomas Edison:
    I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
    Many of life's failures are men who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.

    Try to keep everything as simple as possible. If you are working on adsense, then only put adsense on your page. If you are working on affiliate products only put these on your pages. Don't confuse people when they come to your page. Remember you can always tweak your pages.

    Work with one site and master how to get traffic.

    Yesterday I went a mall looking for a phone case for my cell phone. The mall is large and the phone case business has two kiosk locations in the mall, they both carrier the same cases but one is positioned in a very high traffic area. I started talking to the employee asking about sales and the low traffic phone case kiosk makes about 200 a day during the week and the high traffic phone case kiosk makes 600+ during the week. The only difference is traffic.

    Targeted traffic is the key
     
  13. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Cheers, Neeoo,
    That is right I am gong nowhere.:)
     
  14. Johnny Ringo

    Johnny Ringo Newbie

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    Thanks for the input Naz, I don't even feel vaguely 'dissed.
     
  15. Mr Ex

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    20 uniques is too little to make any money. You are definitely doing something wrong. Either your keywords or your site structure, your copy writing, your niche or any of these combined.

    You have to understand the concept of marketing. Some niches have a lot of followers or hobbyists but there's no money in it. Some niches can make you rich but the competition is really tough, for instance insurance. You have to determine if you are pursuing the right niche or just wasting your time with it.

    Also, you need to have an understanding of marketing. Im does not mean making money online. Bs gurus pushed this so hard that it just stuck as mentality by many imers. However, in reality it is just marketing a product or a service on the internet. If you dont know how to convince people that your product or service is a must buy, then your chances of being successful will be slim to none. Marketing is a combination of many skills and if you lack any of those skills, your performance will suffer dramatically. For some people this might be the copy writing, for some it might be design etc.

    The best thing about this forum is, it makes you fix the areas that you are lacking of. Let this be creative ideas or advertising or creating a step by step business plan, you can pretty much find every necessary tool and info on here. If not more. I understand that you came a long way for the past two years but if you are still not making any money, then that means you still have quite a long way to go. Don't forget that every experience is unique so while it may take years for you to get where you want, for some people it may be months,weeks or even days.

    You should also consider if this is really for you. Not everybody can be an IT engineer or a math teacher or a sales person or an actor etc. That does not mean that the person is an idiot. Every profession requires different set of skills and if you don't have those skills either you will fail miserably or overcome the disadvantages somehow. Whether by outsourcing or working harder. If you think that being successful in marketing deserves every second of your time, then dont give up and go for it. You should sit down and think if this will worth your time or not.

    Don't forget that the best person who will know you, is YOU. You should consider the facts objectively and come to a conclusion. None of us can know you better than you. Keep in mind that a person who doesn't have a music ear can still become a dj if works really hard but most likely won't have a more than average career. Because he wont be able to beat match without the help of a software.

    To make it short, if you want to dabble as a hobby go for it. There's nothing wrong with you and you shouldn't take this personal and make it an issue. Most people are not aware of this but sales and marketing professions are not for everyone, just like any other field such as IT or engineering etc.

    Best of luck to you!
     
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  16. bertbaby

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    No traffic, no money. You should be talking about 2,000 uniques a day not 20. Address this first then you can take a hard look at your landing page to see if its converting.
     
  17. semilar

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    if you're wondering what you are doing wrong try to chunk it down. I mean - you've already tried different approaches, but they all have some things in comon, and that are:
    1. traffic. no traffic, no money, no matter how you put it.
    2. the preselling. you have traffic, but still get no money? somethings wrong with that. OR - you have untargeted traffic from the wrong sources.
    3. products you are selling - do the people need them? is the sales approach on the buy page good enough? or is the niche you picked no good?
    4. quality of the product - how many people want their money back?
    5. still no money? maybe you are getting shaved, or you did something wrong with your affiliate links...

    sure it always depends on the strategy you are using, but its more or less these things.

    once you identified the area you fail in, chunk it down.
    like traffic:
    why are you not getting enough traffic? is it, because you cant rank?
    if so, is it because of high competition or do you just suck in seo?
    what other ways could be used instead, like adsense ads, social media traffic etc?
    improve these areas until you can mark 1. as solved, then move on to the next point.
     
  18. Grunge

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    What are the Gifts and Talents and Skills have you got?
     
  19. dragon123

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    I can understand where he is coming from. Two points on here i think are important and have been mentioned. Traffic. you need it to make anything, but what is the best way to source that traffic , this is something i am having trouble with also. The other thing is focus. It is so easy to have 5 or 10 things on the go at once and not focusing on any single one of them, i have done it and i am sure many others have.
    Dont give up, i am not earning much after 8 months, but i am still learning and tweaking the half a dozen sites i have. I have only made around £40 a month , mainly from EPN and building small websites for local businesses, but i know i will find something soon that will make some decent money.
    Try and stay positive and good luck....